EW on West of Memphis

January 19, 2012

Entertainment Weekly previews the new pro-WM3 documentary West of Memphis with a fawning joint interview with celebrity supporters Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, West director Amy Berg, mass murderer Damien Echols and wife Lorri Davis.

Deadline has another interview with Walsh and Jackson.

As usual, the EW and Deadline pieces are pure murder groupie puffery, accepting every pro-WM3 claim at face value while making no mention of the overwhelming evidence that Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley were guilty as charged.

West of Memphis debuts this weekend at the Sundance Film Festival.

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Coen January 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm

Pam and other family members will be there in support of the WM3. As if their innocence wasn’t obvious enough.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Um, the Moore’s don’t. Neither does Terry Hobbs (which is obvious). Nor Steven Branch, Stevie’s biological father.

So there’s just as many family members…if not more…that still believe them guilty than innocent.

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 6:49 pm

Thank you T Rog.
The other family members are not for sale. And like I said before Pam Hobbs as accused her ex of everything in the past . And it was all thrown out of court. Pam Hobbs was so excited in part one to be on TV it was sad .

And to everyone else if you are going to post something please do your homework. Not just watch the film. Look online there is web sight where they show all the evidence. The records, how and when jessie confessed ( after he was convicted . And jessie isnt retarded . He has a low IQ and never went to school.

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Kelly January 19, 2012 at 9:57 pm

Oh Coen, it isn’t so obvious to many of us, not obvious at all

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Coen January 19, 2012 at 10:07 pm

That speaks volumes about “many of you”.

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Whitelilly January 22, 2012 at 9:16 pm

Hey Coen, there is a website called The Hinky Meter. The facilitator, Valhall has an excellent series on critical thinking. I think you should go over and read it. Apply it.

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Lucielle1980 January 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm

Wonder why they took a plea to the State if their innocence was so “obvious?”

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Bill January 20, 2012 at 5:34 am

So if Misskelley confessed all of these times then why wouldn’t he confess on the stand and have most of his jail time taken away. Makes no sense. If it were true and he had no issues confessing and “wanted something to be done” he would have turned witness on the stand. He was offered a good deal to testify and didn’t. That stands out to me.

When this most recent deal was offered Jason said no to it. This also tells me all I need to know. The death row thing being the reason it was accepted at all.

Misskellys original confession was obviously fake. What 17 year old kid talks like a complete retard but then refers to kids that he barely knows by their first and last names. The amount of time between his story and naming them by their names show clearly he was reading from a script.

The knife was planted the blood on the necklace was planted and it all was leaked to the press before the defense even knew it existed all in an effort to get the community opinion in their favor. These pieces of “evidence” were press props. Nothing more.

Damien and Jason acted the way they did because they never thought they could be convicted for something they didn’t do and were instructed by attorneys to act civil so they could have a shot at a retrial. Misskelley honestly probably thought once it was over he’d go home and play nintendo. Even to this day that guy is mentally handicapped and looks to be a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Both the guy and girls who testified against Damien and Jason have come out and said they were lying.

These crimes were not committed in the wooded area. This was a dump place. ZERO evidence to say this is where it took place. No blood on the scene. Please tell me none of you believe this is where it took place. Blind is one thing and stupid is another.

These boys were uneducated, white trash small town rebels who loved all things heavy metal. I know there are many kids like this in every small town in America. Their fascination with Allister Crowly comes from the Ozzy song. Pentagrams were from Motley Crue and all the other is basic stuff these bands sing about.

The tragedy here is that the West Memphis Pd DID NOT RESPOND to a call about a bloody man acting crazy in a public bathroom. WTF!? This is your killer boys and girls. I don’t think Mark or Terry killed these boys. The black guy in the restaurant did this.

The police knew they dropped the ball here and the town wanted justice so they had to manufacture it out of the stupid Southern fear of Satanism. It was a good plan that would have worked if HBO hadn’t shown up.

Everyone involved (investigator, judge, etc) should be charged and sent to prison. They were all corrupt, dirty and felt these boys were expendable to make their careers.

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wm3truth January 20, 2012 at 7:02 am

So if Misskelley confessed all of these times then why wouldn’t he confess on the stand and have most of his jail time taken away.

Before his trial, Misskelley received an offer of 50 years in exchange for pleading guilty and testifying against Baldwin & Echols. This is documented in the trial transcript.

Between his trial and the Baldwin/Echols trial, Misskelley did not receive any offer for a reduced sentence in exchange for his testimony. Prosecutors talked about offering him a reduced sentence, but the judge said in the 2/22 hearing that he was disinclined to approve any reduction.

Paradise Lost made it look like Misskelley was offered a sentence reduction to less than 10 years if he testified, which he supposedly refused. This never happened. In the real world, there’s no evidence that Misskelley received any offer beyond use immunity.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:19 pm

He would have also worked against the outcome that the ADA and judge (shame shame) wanted because he would have knuckled under cross examination. Even if everything he were saying was true, someone with his impairment would have destroyed a case predicated on his confession and hearsay by other parties.

Criminal trials are nuanced expressions of practice artistry.

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Fred J Walsh January 20, 2012 at 8:05 am

Bill, I’ll offer the same advice as that to Compassionate Reader: copyright that narrative, before Egoyan starts shooting his movie based on Mara’s book. She put Mark Byers in the hot seat, and that doesn’t fly anymore. ‘The black guy did it’ might be un-PC enough to have edge. Lose the ‘arm in a sling’ angle though. ‘Tracy Morgan in a role that could surprise you…’ I smell oscar!

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Hubris Humbles January 22, 2012 at 10:27 pm

Cuba Gooding Jr.’s agent is on the phone. Like Meryl Streep, the revered thespian wants another win.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 1:50 pm

So if Misskelley confessed all of these times then why wouldn’t he confess on the stand and have most of his jail time taken away. Makes no sense. If it were true and he had no issues confessing and “wanted something to be done” he would have turned witness on the stand. He was offered a good deal to testify and didn’t. That stands out to me.

When this most recent deal was offered Jason said no to it. This also tells me all I need to know. The death row thing being the reason it was accepted at all.

“Misskellys original confession was obviously fake. What 17 year old kid talks like a complete retard but then refers to kids that he barely knows by their first and last names. The amount of time between his story and naming them by their names show clearly he was reading from a script.”

WM3Truth answered that, I have nothing to add.

The knife was planted the blood on the necklace was planted and it all was leaked to the press before the defense even knew it existed all in an effort to get the community opinion in their favor. These pieces of “evidence” were press props. Nothing more.

And your proof is…where?

“Damien and Jason acted the way they did because they never thought they could be convicted for something they didn’t do and were instructed by attorneys to act civil so they could have a shot at a retrial.”

So that’s why Damien licked his lips and blew kisses at the victim’s family?

“Misskelley honestly probably thought once it was over he’d go home and play nintendo. Even to this day that guy is mentally handicapped and looks to be a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome.”

You’re arguing a supporter argument that’s been shot down over and over. Please consider your source.

“Both the guy and girls who testified against Damien and Jason have come out and said they were lying.”

Do what?

http://wm3truth.com/2011/09/did-the-softball-girls-recant/

“These crimes were not committed in the wooded area. This was a dump place. ZERO evidence to say this is where it took place. No blood on the scene. Please tell me none of you believe this is where it took place.”

Again…do what?

http://wm3truth.com/crime-scene-or-dump-site/

“Blind is one thing and stupid is another.”

You need a copy of “How To Win Friends And Influence People”

“These boys were uneducated, white trash small town rebels who loved all things heavy metal. I know there are many kids like this in every small town in America. Their fascination with Allister Crowly comes from the Ozzy song.”

Actually Damien admitted on the stand he knew who Crowly was and it wasn’t from the Black Sabbath Song.

“Pentagrams were from Motley Crue and all the other is basic stuff these bands sing about.”

You need a music history lesson. Motley Crue had removed the majority of their satanic props well before 1993. Hell, they’d done that by 1987 when “Girls, Girls, Girls” was released.

“The tragedy here is that the West Memphis Pd DID NOT RESPOND to a call about a bloody man acting crazy in a public bathroom. WTF!? This is your killer boys and girls. I don’t think Mark or Terry killed these boys. The black guy in the restaurant did this.”

I can partially agree with you on this part. I agree the WMPD should’ve been more prompt in responding. But is this the murderer? I doubt it. It’s easier to believe a bleeding, disoriented, stumbling man with one arm did this as opposed to 3 teenagers?

“The police knew they dropped the ball here and the town wanted justice so they had to manufacture it out of the stupid Southern fear of Satanism. It was a good plan that would have worked if HBO hadn’t shown up.”

And this is the point where I tell you to go fuck yourself. Frankly I’m sick and damn tired of Southerners being made a scapegoat in the entire affair. West Memphis had 30k people in it in 1993. It was NOT Mayberry. It’s also completely dumbass to believe that the police simply wanted to arrest someone and let the people who REALLY committed this crime stay free in case they wanted to kill again.

It obvious you’re talking out of your ass because you’re mouth should know better. But congratulations on being yet another dumb ass supporter who doesn’t actually know anything about the case. Put your face on the wall at wm3.org with the rest of the dumbasses.

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Lucielle1980 January 20, 2012 at 4:50 pm

LOL Awesome T-Rog!

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm

“LOL Awesome T-Rog!”

Spoken like a true non! Bravo.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:38 pm

“You need a music history lesson. Motley Crue had removed the majority of their satanic props well before 1993. Hell, they’d done that by 1987 when “Girls, Girls, Girls” was released.”

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And Baldwin’s haircut was already out of date but that didn’t stop him from rocking a mullet.

“It’s also completely dumbass to believe that the police simply wanted to arrest someone and let the people who REALLY committed this crime stay free in case they wanted to kill again.”

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And it’s also completely dumbass and pitifully naive to believe that they do NOT do this in police stations across the country every single day.

Before I get accused of being a cop hater…there is an ENORMOUS amount of pressure on police officers to close cases quickly–especially cases as high profile as this one. Even in a city of 30K the death of three children to brutality would lend itself to panic and hysteria. There would be pressure by city and county commissioners, the mayor, the church and civic groups, the press, etc.

Damien Echols was an unlikable, sullen youth who gravitated to “dark” things at a time when the Tipper Gore hysteria was reaching a level of national attention. He had episodes in his past, acted as though he had some affiliation with the occult…I can see cops looking to him, first.

However, there was no physical evidence and it is wrong at a very base level to try a case without it. You then have to rely on testimony alone and that is always a chaotic mess due to a)hysteria induced memory, b)group think, c)faulty memory, and d)outright lies.

They had no tangible motive, aside from cult mumbo-jumbo. No proof of being a part of a cult; they never found the other members of this cult he ascribed to or they would have dragged them into court, no proof of ritual trophies, nothing of the sort. They listened to metal music and had bad hair.

If poor taste in clothing and rock music is a basis for murder then I submit Justin Bieber and his fans as the next Manson family.

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T-Rog January 22, 2012 at 11:09 am

“And Baldwin’s haircut was already out of date but that didn’t stop him from rocking a mullet.”

Unfortunatly, the mullet doesn’t every fully go out of style. Early 90=Billy Ray Cyrus=rockin a mullet. 2000=Joe Dirt=mullet. There was a sitcom where someone got their kid a mullet, but I can’t remember the name of it so I’ll refrain from using that as an example. My point is, while the mullet might not be all that attractive, there’s always 1 or 2 that will continue to wear it.

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“And it’s also completely dumbass and pitifully naive to believe that they do NOT do this in police stations across the country every single day.

Before I get accused of being a cop hater…there is an ENORMOUS amount of pressure on police officers to close cases quickly–especially cases as high profile as this one. Even in a city of 30K the death of three children to brutality would lend itself to panic and hysteria. There would be pressure by city and county commissioners, the mayor, the church and civic groups, the press, etc.”

Oh yeah, I don’t disagree. But Echols, Baldwin, and Misskelley were arrested a month later. It’s not like they went storming over to their trailers that day or even that week. There were hundreds of people interviewed, people fingerprinted, leads investigated. To think that these 3 were chosen at random because they “look like they might have done it” just doesn’t fly. I’m willing to bet there were more than 3 people that would’ve fit the catagory you pointed out above.

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“Damien Echols was an unlikable, sullen youth who gravitated to “dark” things at a time when the Tipper Gore hysteria was reaching a level of national attention. He had episodes in his past, acted as though he had some affiliation with the occult…I can see cops looking to him, first.”

Did you really just reference Tipper Gore? If she hadn’t had her hand on her senator husband’s crotch, no one would’ve taken her seriously. And she was more concerned with bad language and violence, not the occult.

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“However, there was no physical evidence and it is wrong at a very base level to try a case without it. You then have to rely on testimony alone and that is always a chaotic mess due to a)hysteria induced memory, b)group think, c)faulty memory, and d)outright lies.

They had no tangible motive, aside from cult mumbo-jumbo. No proof of being a part of a cult; they never found the other members of this cult he ascribed to or they would have dragged them into court, no proof of ritual trophies, nothing of the sort. They listened to metal music and had bad hair.”

Motive= Echols is a psycho (exibit 500) who saw an opportunity to kill and took it. Balwin= follower. Misskelley= who knows. Maybe that group thinking you referenced.

Physical evidence=

http://wm3truth.com/physical-evidence-and-lack-thereof/

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“If poor taste in clothing and rock music is a basis for murder then I submit Justin Bieber and his fans as the next Manson family.”

And if Bieber and crew ever get accused of a crime, have fiber evidence against them, is seen near the crime scene around the time in question, fails a polygraph, is overhead confessing the crime, had 500 pages of mental health records that say he’s capable, has 1 of his crew confess 4 times, ect, ect, ect he’ll just hire a PR firm to sway public opinion and get out of prison…just like the 3 did.

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 5:29 am

Read :robin getch and the chicago Crew I live in elmhurst and we live through it . We thought this stuff couldnt happen.Couldnt believe it did …………..but it did happen .My sister was friends with Lori.And guess what first they thought her BF did it.Read the book on Aleister Crowley.And what movies did Damein watch that told anything about childen. Elmhurst IL stop leaving our door unlocked and stopped taking walks where no one was around. Taat movie left so much out about the trial. Sure and where did they get Damein’s blood to plant. He didnt give him any .

He tried to rip someones eyes out .
Damein attack someone and drank his blood. Said that when he did it make him feel powerful. make threat agains his family look at his record . And that record isnt so he could get SS . It is past . They didnt pick him out because he wore black and hair was weird .
What about the tatoo on his chest . Take in all the evidence that HMO didnt show on the trial. This defence was the OJ defence ………

This is a movie to make money . They dont care if the 3 are guilty or not . They just dont want to stop making the money

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Thank You T Rog :)

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Sue February 28, 2012 at 7:53 pm

THANK Christ you were not a cop at WMPD. You were able to tell just from a report that this black man that no one knows of is the killer…goddamm you’re good.

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Kelly January 19, 2012 at 10:38 pm

And what would that be, Coen?

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Dysthymia January 20, 2012 at 1:07 am

The clip of West of Memphis seems to show Michael Carson recanting his testimony against Jason Baldwin. I wonder what the WM3 supporters think about Mr. Carson’s statements, since he has been called a liar for 18 years now by people who believe in the innocence of the 3. Can supporters believe he is being truthful now?

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm

Witness reveals that Terry Hobbs is the one responsible for the murders. What now nons?

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm

It is the same 3 kids that the nephew had a falling out with .

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm

3 witnesses to be exact.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 1:56 pm

If you have a link, please share?

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Coen January 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm

This is huge. Three witnesses all referencing the same relative, and all passed polygraphs.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm

1. So 18 years after the fact, these witnesses come forward. But this isn’t suspicious?

2. These witnesses aren’t witnesses to the murder, or even that Terry Hobbs confessed. They’re witnesses they either heard 3rd hand he confessed or heard a conversation they can’t explain in context.

3. They passed polygraphs and should be believed though Echols and Misskelley failed polygraphs and it’s dismissed?

Sorry, this doesn’t prove anything.

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Stacia January 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm

This happened after the 48 hr special, right? I’m sure rumors started flying in the Hobbs family and the boy overheard something.

As for the neighbors I don’t believe they could come to the revelation that they saw the 3 boys with Terry 16 yr later.

First Mark, now Terry. At least the black man’s personal info isn’t out there. He would get reamed!!

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm

First Damien, Jessie and Jason… for no reason.

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 3:00 pm

1. These witnesses were probably very young (probably toddlers) when the murders occurred. Why would three different people cite the same nephew? Coincidence? Get the fuck out.

2. Can’t explain in context?

“One appeared to be very upset even crying and he said ‘I am sorry, I regret it.’ The other man was trying to console him and said, ‘You are in the clear, no one thinks you are a suspect, those guys are already in prison.’”

Hahahahahah. How can you tell me that you don’t know what that conversation is referring to? The context is plain and clear. Typical nons… the most illogical people on the planet.

3. These polygraphs should be dismissed though Echols and Misskelley’s should be believed? It goes both ways, my friend.

No, it doesn’t prove anything, but you watch… Hobbs’ family members are going to start making some huge revelations once it gets leaked that his nephew blew their little secret.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm

1. These witnesses were probably very young (probably toddlers) when the murders occurred. Why would three different people cite the same nephew? Coincidence? Get the fuck out.- And again, they’re repeating a 3rd hand account of a conversation. 18 years after the fact. And I notice you say “probably”, without verifying.

2. Can’t explain in context?

“One appeared to be very upset even crying and he said ‘I am sorry, I regret it.’ The other man was trying to console him and said, ‘You are in the clear, no one thinks you are a suspect, those guys are already in prison.’”

Hahahahahah. How can you tell me that you don’t know what that conversation is referring to? The context is plain and clear. Typical nons… the most illogical people on the planet.- I don’t know what the conversation is about because it’s not like Pamela Hobbs hasn’t been quoted as saying she would pin the murders on Terry. Oh wait…she has! “I’m sorry, I regret it” Could very well be the divorce. “You are in the clear, no one thinks you are a suspect, those guys are already in prison” could very well be the fact it’s known or at least suspected by his family that she plans on pinning this on him. And I’ve never heard a non spout something as illogical as the Manhole Theory.

3. These polygraphs should be dismissed though Echols and Misskelley’s should be believed? It goes both ways, my friend.

No, it doesn’t prove anything, but you watch… Hobbs’ family members are going to start making some huge revelations once it gets leaked that his nephew blew their little secret.- See above. If you mean PAM Hobbs’ family, you’re likely right. If you mean Terry’s family…I’ll be surprised.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 3:43 pm

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/20/new-sworn-statements-implicate-hobbs-west-memphis/

“Contacted today, Michael Hobbs Sr. laughed upon hearing the allegations, calling them “made up stuff.”

“He said his son and the three friends had a falling out and this is their way to get even.

“He said his son, Michael Hobbs Jr., sent him a text message today saying, “You think people are going to believe that (expletive)?”

“The elder Hobbs said he is convinced the West Memphis Three are the real killers and that the defense team is determined to pin the murders on his brother.”

Without the testimony of Michael Hobbs, Sr., the defense will never get this information into any court proceeding because it’s hearsay, or double hearsay. Once again, they’re relying on their PR campaign to give the appearance of innocence, rather than actual evidence that proves it.”

**Props to the wm3truth facebook site for finding this.**

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Chad Welch January 20, 2012 at 3:57 pm

So do you think this should not be pursued? It may be hogwash. But it would not be the first time something like this has happened. I can’t imagine what kind of argument or falling out could cause 3 non-related kids to go to these lengths to hurt a family member. But that would also not be the first time something horrible like that has happened. I think it’s enough to listen to. It was by polygraph. And if that was good enough to put people on the stand for the first trial it should be good enough now.

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm

Bingo.

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Lucielle1980 January 20, 2012 at 4:54 pm

The best place for this to have been presented was in the evidentiary hearing that was set to take place in December. Instead, the defense took a deal to the state to plead guilty in reutrn for release with time served. (And probation)

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm

To make such a casual statement is to be a completely illogical individual. Death row for another 5 months, or freedom where they can work the case from the outside and so Damien can return to good health?

And regardless, the prosecution and state absolutely knew that they didn’t have any evidence to uphold the conviction, so they pretty much forced this deal to avoid embarrassment and so they didn’t have to pay millions of dollars to compensate for 18 years that these guys lost.

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Val January 20, 2012 at 7:48 pm

Seriously?

First, Hobbs is not their family member.

He’s their ex-friend’s family member.

2nd – um, that’s pretty easy.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You don’t think these witnesses are getting paid for their sudden “recollections?”

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Chad Welch January 21, 2012 at 2:46 am

I’m sorry Val, but No, I don’t think they are getting paid for this. If they were the family would turn this info into the public. And at no point have I heard, read or seen anything that would show that anybody giving testimony now or then received money for this. I think that’s just a crazy, silly statement.

Again, you can believe or not. But just stating “getting paid” without a lick of proof is, well, ignorant. That’s as believable as thinking that the government has hid who really killed Kennedy. And that it’s a big cover up that we have all kept secret.

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Donna January 28, 2012 at 1:34 am

Really but was that a unfair trial . Wow isnt that a double standard . Lets check Terry’s medical records. Nope he didnt try to scratch someone eyes or tell his parents he was going to them. I didnt think he has a spirt or demon in him. Wait and there was no confession.

It is all hearsay .

And funny how everyone leaves out Damien and Jessie and Jason were not the first suspects. This wasnt because they dressed weird like the movie would want you believe. They were not the only ones in 30k people that dressed weird . There were confession…….and Damien going around telling people . Not Damien sister but himself.

And his medical records are not little things. This was not a mentally fragile person. This is person that told his parents that he was going to kill them and eat them. This a person that killed a dog and wanted to put acid on it. This is a person that tried to scratch someones eyes out. This is a person that drank someones blood on somones arm. And then he told the doctors it made him feel powerful. This a person that thought he had a spirt in him . He was in the mental hospital so many times not for little things. And this is just some of the things .And he wasnt a child he was 18

It took them a month to get to the 3 of them. As they went down the list .
Chris Morgan and Brian Holland were the first they looked into . And they took Jessie just for questioning.They never thought of a confession.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2011/06/30/group-think-can-influence-your-memory-research–shows

Groupthink happened in 1993, its happening now. People remember things the way other people remember them.

Testimony is faulty and should never be used in lieu of physical evidence.

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Chad Welch January 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Or lack there of??? Of course you meant that too. But since the actual physical evidence tying them to this was so slim and all the defense had was testimony. So if that is what you want to hang them with, they should be able to be untied using the same principle. You can’t have it both ways.

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 10:18 pm

Awesome T Rog.

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Coen January 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm

“rather than actual evidence that proves it.”

Again, for the millionth time (something you and other seem not to understand) there is no actual evidence that the WM3 committed this crime. The only thing you have are statements from unreliable sources, so if you are going to champion those, then you must also consider these statements.

Nons should no longer be referred to as nons. They should simply be referred to as hypocrites.

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Val January 20, 2012 at 8:02 pm

BS. There is evidence against the WM3, lots of it.

Look, I’ll be honest. I think that there may have been reasonable doubt at the E/B trial. (Misskelley’s trial was sound as can be however). Not glaring reasonable doubt, but the jury could have went either way. What we learned AFTER the trial, however: GUILTY AS SIN.

That said, even the most brutal disgusting child murderers deserve a fair trial and they deserve fair convictions.

Too bad the WM3 pled out, and declined the chance for a fair trial. I guess “pleading” guilty as opposed to being found guilty keeps the money rolling in. Go figure.

All this talk about “jury misconduct” – surely, you’ll concede, Coen, that this does not apply to Misskelley and that his trial was fair as can be? Do you think Misskelley should have been found not guilty?

This question, of course, cannot be answered if you haven’t bothered to actually read the trials you claim to know so much about. Have you? Cause if not, don’t bother answering. Unless you join the ranks of 95% of other supporters – arguing things they know NOTHING about.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:49 pm

Enlighten me as to the hard physical evidence that came out after the trial. Links please, if you would be so kind. All I can see is more chatter and no DNA or other physical evidence.

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Val January 21, 2012 at 11:26 pm

Never said physical evidence. There is some against the WM3, in the form of fibers and blood type evidence. No, that’s not hard physical evidence, it’s circumstantial. Just like the case against any other murderer who had the forethought to submerge their victims in water, burn them, hide their bodies well enough so that they’d decompose along with the physical evidence.

Do you suggest that when a body is subject to practices such as these, there be no investigation, arrest, trials, etc?

It is a good day to be a murderer I guess.

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Rin January 22, 2012 at 11:12 am

No, I suggest that (just like the FBI does) to wait and see if more evidence turns up. There was a serial killer in Virginia and the East Coast at this same time who killed multiple children using similar methods, also dumping them in rivers and creeks, also doing sexual things to them. This spanned over a period of years and across states until he was finally caught because a girlfriend accidentally found incriminating evidence and turned it into the police.

Many people were accused, cults were suspected, etc.

Eventually, when they caught him they found out that he dressed like a police officer to get kids to trust him then he would take them back this place, mutilate them, then drive them to a dump spot.

btw, I’m not suggesting it was the same person, but to me the facts of this case point to that type of profile with the emphasis on genital mutilation, children, multiple children. Three kids with bikes can get away fast if they need to. They can cause a lot of noise, pain on the perp, etc. unless for some reason they were too frightened to do so.

This case was rushed because the town was in a frenzy. Maybe Echols did do it, but they didn’t have the evidence to support it and now he’s out because process and caution was not followed.

This is why people need to put the pitchforks down and not rush. The real killer could have gotten off scott free years ago OR he could be out now because of public outcry. We will never know because the evidence in this case is beyond circumstantial to anyone without a preconceived belief.

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Val January 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Come on guys, time to see the truth. I’m no longer a non now that I know that 3 teenage boys’ ex-friend’s father’s brother was crying one time and apologized for something and it was heard from another floor in the house, through a closed door.

Case closed.

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Kelly January 20, 2012 at 7:54 pm

Bwahahhahaha! Love it.

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 10:20 pm

lol love it Val

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Donna January 28, 2012 at 11:11 pm

lol Val

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Stacia January 20, 2012 at 6:34 pm

LMAO!

I cannot believe they would take these “witnesses” seriously. 18 yr later. After an episode of 48 hr.

And MH senior laughs about it shortly after. But he will be dismissed by Supporters.

Should we name this “The Family Secret”?

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm

And I have a hard time believing that a jury listened to the testimony of the so-called cult expert. The prosecution could have actually gone to the FBI or even a major university for SMEs in occult science and cults, but they instead went to some dude who sounded senile. I guess because they realized they had a good jury.

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Scott H January 20, 2012 at 6:36 pm

Yes! Misskelley was lying through four confessions, all 3 having bullshit alibis means nothing, yet the friends of the son of the brother of Terry Hobb’s say he did it, case closed! God you supporters are disgusting.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 10:57 pm

All four confessions sounded different so I wouldn’t be so uncharitable as to call it lying, just faulty and implanted memory. :)

And when every single person called to the stand in some slight or small way contradicted someone else…there’s your reasonable doubt. Add to that a lack of physical evidence, lack of real motive…

Echols might very well be guilty, but no one proved it.

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Val January 22, 2012 at 12:38 pm

Echols might very well be guilty, but no one proved it.

Thank you! A rational supporter! Nice to meet you, rational supporter! Unfortunately you are not in very good company.

Echols might very well be guilty.

Which makes the fawning over him and his celebrity status all the more disgusting, dontchathink?

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Scott H January 20, 2012 at 6:43 pm

Hey Coen, funny you don’t mention that Michael provided evidence against 2 of the three “witnesses” after their arrest in 2009. Almost like they want to get back at him after the falling out, remember assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, do your homework. You are a jedi master at making yourself look stupid.

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T-Rog January 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm

I would LOVE to read this if you have a link or a copy!!

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Justin January 20, 2012 at 6:49 pm

One thing is for sure West Memphis and surrounding areas are messed up places that I will stay very clear of.

I have watched over 8 hours of documentaries and read this entire sight and I still think there is so much doubt.

How did the police officer not enter the Bojangles to see what was going on? How do you just “lose” blood evidence? How does a jury foreman introduce evidence that is in admissible?

Those items alone probably would have resulted in a mistrial with better defense attorneys.

I’m not saying the 3 are innocent but what a mess. All I know is the 3 get a second chance whether they deserve it or not and they better keep their noses clean.

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Donna January 29, 2012 at 12:37 am

The Pardise movies left out so much stuff .
Evidence: Damien medical records, police records. It goes on and on. Nothing about any of the WM3 history at all. All you see is one man and two boy sitting there . And some of Damiens weird behaviour. They dont show Damien licking his lips and blowing a kiss at the mourning families.
I was like you. OMG I feel like such a fool . I jumped on the bandwagon without knowing the whole case . ( like most of them) Watched the movies and believed everything that was in them.
Till one evening I was talking about the case with a few of my family members. No one but my father in law heared about the case . Who is a lawyer and said look up all the evidence. And showed me how experts will argue about what they see. That is the way the OJ trial was won.And how much was left out in these movies

. The truth is the 3 were picked. Not because of the way they had their hair or clothes but because of their profiles. And then it all unraveled. Confessions ext. And then my mother and sister told me about what happened in our city.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/partners/chicago_rippers/6.html

I never thought people would do such a thing .Yes money can buy you innocence. They can twist and turn a case any way they want you to see it.( especially when the case is presented in a movie) They are only showing you what they want you to see. Now if they did the movie with all the facts. That would have been a different story. If they pull all the evidence that DA had against them and all the facts. Then you can decide if they are guilty or not. But this wasnt and isnt the case. People are being paid to continue in this movie. They are getting impressed with the fame . I dont believe that Mr Hobbs had anything to do with these killings . I think it points more to the MW3 . I am not one of the members of the jury so I cant cast judgement . But leaving out the fact of the confessions . 1) medical history 2) lied on the stand 3) his belief that drinking blood gave him power. 4) lying again about the underlined type in the book. (This is West Memphis what teacher in the bible belt is going to say do a assignment on Aleister Crowley). And 3rd the tatoo and with his medical history he couldnt tell reality for fiction.4) his act of violence . I dont think I would have given him the death sentence. Because of that fact that he was failed by the system. They shouldn’t have let him out time and time again. With mental issues that was not resolved.

The other 2 both had a history. But they also were followers. One was violent and yes he had a low IQ.But he wasn’t retarded by no means. If you believe everything that is in the film then look. He wasnt retarded.

As far as the blood found near the scene. There was presence of blood when they use the luminol. But because it couldnt be picked for DNA or blood type all they can say most of it was washed away.

And why not a new trial ? They spent 18 years and few more months they wouldnt want to clear their name ? Oh yes they are going to clear it by pointing fingers and making a moving that is one sided again. Put someone on trial through the media.
Now lets talk about a fair trial…………They did it to Mr Byers and now Terry Hobbs. But Mr Byers as join in (because of money and attention) like he did through all the movies. Pam who has accused her husband for everything and the court through it all out.

Talk about your fair trials ……..clear your name through the courts and not the media. So people can accuse someone with gossip not facts.

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Val January 20, 2012 at 7:51 pm

@Coen:

To make such a casual statement is to be a completely illogical individual. Death row for another 5 months, or freedom where they can work the case from the outside and so Damien can return to good health?

Sorry, but “return to good health” made me LOL a little.

There’s nothing wrong with Echols’ physical health @@

Mental health, however – I’ll give you that one.

Echols seems pretty healthy to me. I know, I know, it’s a MIRACLE!!!

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Chad Welch January 21, 2012 at 2:56 am

Sorry, but if I had this same choice I would have jumped on the early release. I’m not sure why that is in question. You must be much stronger than most. I find it very hard to believe that I would not have made this exact same deal. Especially if I was innocent. So that to me is not hard to believe.

And I do believe that inmates health is always in question after release. Both physical and mental. I believe there have been studies. But that’s neither here nor there.

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Val January 21, 2012 at 2:47 pm

If they’re guilty, it’s a very, very sweet deal.

If they’re innocent, well I would hope that I could hold out a few months to clear my name if I was in their shoes. I’m not, of course, but it does seem fishy that they chose to present the opportunity to plead guilty rather than clear their names when the opportunity to do so was just around the corner.

I keep hearing that supporters “won.” What exactly did they win? The 3 pled guilty and will likely remain so until they die.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 11:04 pm

The criminal case to clear their names would take years because there is not enough evidence to convict this time around, therefore they would sit in jail even longer. Despite what people on here like to believe…shhhhhh, its a secret…..being in prison is NOT FUN. Most people on this site couldn’t stay in their house for a week, let alone sit in a jail cell.

Oh sure, everyone thinks they can. That’s why some of the so-called hard cases we get in say stuff like: I can do six months standing on my head. Within a few weeks at Rikers they want OUT.

Most people get stir crazy when they’re sick and stuck in bed, there are even people that get island fever in Hawaii, prison walls are bland, the people there are nuts, the guards are bullies, they can’t choose what to do for the day…most people go crazy and the rest get institutionalized.

Its not even a matter of willpower or whining, look at the big cats at the zoo. You can tell the ones born in captivity versus put there.

I would take any deal rather than spend a week in prison.

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Val January 22, 2012 at 12:53 pm

This is not necessarily true.

If there was zero evidence, new trials would not even be ordered. Their convictions would be overturned. I know that supporters like to pretend that the entire justice system was out to get 3 kids for no reason, but theirs is not the first case where convicts claim they didn’t do it. Convictions have been overturned before. Notice Ellington claims that new trials were a given, that was likely true because of the high profile nature of this case. However, a new impartial jury would have a very hard time voting for acquittal once they heard Misskelley’s several confessions, as well as his spoken rationale for the discrepancies in the early ones. Add in some history of other confessions in other cases where defendants lied about certain things to minimize their involvement, etc, and bingo: 3 more guilty verdicts.

The defense has a hair that likely came from one of the victims own family members and a bunch of hearsay, unrelated accusations, and a sighting that makes no sense as it contradicts two other sightings that were actually reported in 1993, not 16 years later.

I know it’s hard to see this from an objective perspective, but NO WAY this smoke & mirrors would trump 6+ confessions. Some of which were made to his own attorney- the most illogical person to coerce him.

Ellington sucks for not letting this evidentiary hearing take place.

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Rin January 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm

Imagine being innocent and on death row. You have a smaller cell, you’re all by yourself, waiting to die for a decade and a half. The stress would affect your health and the boredom and depression would finish off your spirit.

It’s easy to scoff at because you believe he’s guilty, but what about that guy who they exonerated a few years back in Arkansas. He sat there for 18 years on Death Row knowing he was innocent, missing his child’s life, thinking he could die any day…then one day they find who really did it and let him out.

He missed the best years of his life and his child’s life.

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Donna January 28, 2012 at 12:56 am

Rin

They let them have time out of cell outside. Tho Damiem choose not to. And all I see is Damiem traveling around . Where is his son. Why isnt he spending time with his son. He missed 18 years and now he is going to miss another year.

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Donna January 29, 2012 at 12:56 am

His(Damien) health ? What was wrong with his health ? I dont see it . He got out and partied with all 3 of them. That was the day he was let out.Not a week afterwards. Did he rush to see his son? Nope ! I am just getting lost with all the logic here about them having a new trial. They would have been let out of prison. And new trial end of story . I wish someone can show me the logic here ……..explain how a new trial would have cost Damien his health. Is he being treated for anything that we should know about ?

OMG TG this will be over in a year. No one will remember the MW3 after the movie.Just a handful ………… And we can go back to having sympathy for the True VICTIMS that lost their lives and the parents. And the people that this movie has tried to destroy.

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Scott H January 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm

T-rog, amazingly enough, the original story was on wm3.org a few years ago! Try and find that link there now, when I find it, Iwill post it.

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T-Rog January 22, 2012 at 9:33 pm

Seriously?

This story…the 3 claiming to have heard this information, ect, ect, ect…is several years old?

Wow…

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Dysthymia January 22, 2012 at 2:58 am

I found this link about the Hobbs family and their reaction to the W of M story.

http://www.ktlo.com/wire/newsfri/01675_MH_man_says_West_Memphis_3_defense_made_up_story_175651.php

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Val January 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm

@Rin-

No reply button.

No, I suggest that (just like the FBI does) to wait and see if more evidence turns up. There was a serial killer in Virginia and the East Coast at this same time who killed multiple children using similar methods, also dumping them in rivers and creeks, also doing sexual things to them. This spanned over a period of years and across states until he was finally caught because a girlfriend accidentally found incriminating evidence and turned it into the police.

Wait and see? Wait and see if more kids get hacked up and dunped in muddy water? I’d prefer that the police work with what they have personally.

This case was rushed because the town was in a frenzy. Maybe Echols did do it, but they didn’t have the evidence to support it and now he’s out because process and caution was not followed.

I PARTIALLY agree with this.

Of course the town was in a frenzy. Small town, people know each other, 3 of their own children are brutally murdered. OF COURSE the town was in a frenzy.

I’ve said it before on this board (not sure if it’s this exact page or not) but I think that there were mistakes made that partially led to Echols being out today. Nowhere near the amount of mistakes made that supporters pretend, but some sure. Mostly he’s out because of the powerful almighty dollar, but the WMPD and the prosecution do bear a little bit of the blame. I do think that they’re guilty as sin, but I simultaneously believe that the mistakes that were made did have a part in it. Not that it’s not proven beyond a doubt that they’re guilty, because it has been IMO. But much of that proof was not used against them properly, in a court of law, which paved the way for the almighty dollar to step in.

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Val January 22, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Another thing I’ve said before: my purpose for being on these boards is guilt vs. innocence and I wholeheartedly believe sufficient evidence of their guilt exists.

I am not arguing that the WMPD and the Prosecution of the 3 killers were perfect. I don’t think they knowingly framed some kids, planted evidence, or any other conspiracy-laden BS. But I think they could have done a much better job at the evidentiary hearing, knowing what we now know, which is why I think Scott Ellington is a piece of shit for taking the deal instead of giving them the chance. It makes sense from the guilty parties’ side to jump at a deal, but it makes zero sense from the side of justice for Michael, Stevie & Chris.

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Chuck January 23, 2012 at 8:32 am

I’ve just finished watching the third installment of Paradise Lost and while I found it to be affecting and compelling as the first two, it left me with a different, uneasy feeling. The celebrity involvement, the woman who ended up marrying Echols being portrayed as a voice of reason despite quitting her good paying job and traveling across the country to marry a man on death row…. all of this and especially the interviews with Echols himself and the way the documentary makers put themselves in the frame made me think, “Oh, I know how this is going to end [had already heard they were freed] and I think it’s an unjust outcome and that child murderers are walking free.”

In the film prior to this, the documentary makers tried to hang the blame for this killing on Byers’ stepfather, and I can remember buying that easily enough because of his religion-fueled rants in the forest . This time it’s another “crazy hillbilly” stepdad type, who is also much easier to dislike than Echols and Baldwin, both of whom are well spoken and seem less capable of such horrific violence.

That was my gut feeling after watching this one, and that feeling strengthened into conviction (or as close as one can come to it from so far removed) after reading further info on this case from people willing to look at things from both sides of the divide.

First, there seems to have been plenty to suggest that Echols was (and probably still is) dangerously mentally ill. The dog murder story, the so-called 500 file — an incredible amount of damning info is contained just in that alone — they add up to a very troubled youngster. Add in a couple of seemingly weak companions — Baldwin physically, and Jessie mentally — and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Echols could have enlisted their help in carrying this out.

That all of their alibis were proven false, that there was physical evidence (blood on the necklace) excluded from trial, not to mention repeated confessions from the least mentally equipped to lie among them, and, yes, I think the prosecution had a strong case and had the right guys all along. The evidence at the scene suggesting that DNA found at the scene was tied to the stepdads could easily have been the result of secondary contact, etc.

Unfortunately the sinking feeling I got while watching this — that Echols and cohorts were guilty of the crimes for which they were convicted — didn’t go away, and I’m sure it sinks the guts of the people in the DA’s office and police department who secured those convictions to think that in the interests of financial prudence, it would not be in the interest of the state to continue to battle the increasingly well financed and international celebrity driven campaign on behalf of the West Memphis Three.

I sure as hell hope I’m wrong about that, otherwise the murderers of three children are now free to sell their stories, attend Hollywood fetes — Reese Witherspoon is starring in a film based on the case — and be celebrated as champions of the wrongly convicted when some compelling evidence suggests that they are anything but.

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Compassionate Reader January 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm

I haven’t read the comments here. There is no need to read them when the opening “article” is such an “opinion” piece as to be laughable on a site that purports to proclaim the truth!

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Lucielle1980 January 24, 2012 at 1:34 pm

I felt the same way when reading about the “manhole theory” the first time.

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Lucielle1980 January 24, 2012 at 1:37 pm

And the 2nd and the 4rd. Hell, even now.

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Chuck January 24, 2012 at 1:43 pm

Compassionate Reader:

I think you’ll find this site, of almost all sites and discussion boards out there on this topic, is the most reasoned, the most based on fact, and I said that having read both sides. This side is based more on fact than on the emotion evoked by Hollywood or the personal experiences of all who have been abused by bullies and/or the justice system.

If you don’t want to read the comments here, fine, bury your head in the sand. I started off totally in support of the WM3 but in the final part of their documentary series, the sinking sensation hit me that I might be wrong. Echols was the one who did it. He’s not going to be able to sell any swamp land, one of the worst liars I’ve seen.

But I checked that instinct, and I started doing research beyond what those films presented. The reality has much more to deal with Metallica and trenchcoats. Try a psychopathic young man whose parents were in fear of him, a butchered dog… The list goes on…. And you’ll have the real murderers in this case.

So think of who you really want to feel “compassion” about “listener.” I’d vote showing it for the families of the murdered kids myself.

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 11:59 am

ok here is some information you might want to know about the polygraph……….Most people can pass this with no problem if they thought the person was guilty. So even tho people lie they will pass the test because they think they know the truth. And the people that made the new movie know this to be true. They just want to make you go to see the new movie . This movie is just a remake of what has already been done. HBO has already told the same story . So they had to add something to get people to want to see it. EVEN THO THEY EDIT MOST OF THE FACTS ABOUT THE CASE.

There are varying claims for the accuracy of polygraph testing. Some claim up to 99% accuracy, some say that they are closer to 50% accurate – pure chance. The truth is likely to be somewhere in between.

The true accuracy of polygraph testing is difficult to ascertain. Polygraph testing is often done in cases where other evidence is insubstantial, so there’s often no other way to validate the findings. However, most attempts to ascertain the true accuracy, including scientific tests where the ‘ground truth’ is known, usually give answers in the 60-70% range. This means that polygraph testing is better than guessing (50% accurate) but it’s nowhere near as accurate as its proponents claim nor is it accurate enough to be considered a valid and reliable method.

Sometimes people “crack” and confess; again this does not validate the process; many people give confessions, and even false confessions, under duress. John A. Larson, a pioneer of polygraphic lie detection stated, “The lie detector, as used in many places, is nothing more than a psychological third-degree aimed at extorting confessions as the old physical beatings were.”

One important fact to consider is that polygraphers interpret results. This means that their findings can be influenced by their preconceptions; if they believe a person to be guilty before testing, they could be more likely to interpret the test results to reflect that belief.

In 1986, the US television programme 60 minutes did an exposé on private polygraph companies. Three different companies were told that a camera and lens had been stolen from the offices of a magazine publisher. There were four employees who were all suspects. Each polygrapher was asked to test the employees and in each case they were told, “It might have been ___,” with a different employee being weakly accused in each case.

The three different companies each found that the person who had been accused by the magazine was indeed the guilty party, and they were all very confident in their findings. The fact that there never was a crime, that no theft really took place, and that no one was guilty of anything, shows just how strongly the polygraphers’ preconceptions can influence the way that they interpret the results of their tests.

So if someone believes that the other party is guilty they will pass this test. Why didnt they make Dameim and Jessie and Jason take the test if they really thought the polygraph was accurate. Or did they test and fail and they just didnt put it in the movie.

It is great for a movie but this is why they dont use it in court .

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm

THAT IS A LIE . Jessie was not offered 10 years. All they were going to give him is to take life with no parole off the table. They would reduce it to life . And if testified against them. That would leave him no room for appeal.And if you are going to say there was no evidence look at the case without watching the movie. AND AS I SAID BEFORE HOW CAN THEY PLANT THE BLOOD.Dameim did give them any blood.

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 6:35 pm

Oh and by the way there is couple of witnesses that didnt recant. So I dont know where you get your info. Yes they would have gotten a retrial. But the state still had a case other wise they couldnt give the apha plea. Read what apha plea is . The state was preasured into given the apha plea. AND AS I SAID BEFORE HOW CAN THEY PLANT THE BLOOD.Dameim didnt give them any blood. And they didnt even use it in court because that would have given them a new trial but seperate. Really please take a look at the case. The real evidence that HBO left out .But if they had a retrial they could have used the blood.

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Donna January 26, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Chad Welch

Go to youtube and watch Mr Terry Hobbs interrogation. Yes they are getting paid for it . Last time it was 13k.

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LB January 26, 2012 at 7:43 pm

I wonder why the supporters don’t go to callahan.8k and read the confessions Mr Misskelley made after his conviction to his lawyer? I have read the entire documents and they point to guilt of him and the other two boys. All of their questions about the case are answered including what Damien did to get rid of the blood. Also, the questions of what type of sexual abuse was done is also answered.

Mr Misskelley does not remember all the details of that day as he does not remember some names and specific times of what went on, but he does know the crime and recalls it very vividly.

Mr Misskelley also answers questions about the errors and claims he made in the statement and confession to police. Mr Stidham (his lawyer) is very thorough in this report and does not leave any stone unturned. The end result is a compelling and repulsive account of what happened that fateful night.

I wish all of the supporters would read the transcription of this confession and judge for themselves.

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_2_8_94_statement.html

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 3:35 am

LB
They will never read anything that might point to them. Also Jessie was drunk it was hard for him to remember all of the details . I am sorry that I never read ALL the details to case till now . I would have follow my gut in the first film. I saw to men change in film 3 and jumped on the bandwagon. But after a friend ( who is a lawyer ) told me to look at all of the evidencin the case. I dont find them innocent. But I am not on the jury. And taking the plea ment they knew their case wasnt strong enough and they could be found guilty. I dont believe the eye thing many were let out on death roe because of mistrial after 20 years . And never had that problem. Maybe it is because he refused to go outside it was dirty . Like said he needs help. What will he do when his 10 minutes of fame is gone?

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 3:20 am

I dont believed the story on Mr Hobbs Maybe it had something with everyone accusing him that he was crying.Just like the Mr Byers case. I wont hold my breath in what the children said. None of it makes any sence at all. The children get in a fight and now this all comes out .It sound like kids getting back at the nephew because he told something on them.
As I said before this is something to get you to see the movie. ONE that has been done before. Even the movie critics said the samething they found nothing new in the film. I am sure not going to jump on the bandwagon of accusing someone that evidence is so lame. And I just pray that the families heal. They are the true victims. And believe this will all pass. In a year no one will remember the MW3. The got out and are now free. There 10 minutes of fame is almost over.

Todd Moore, father of Michael Moore
Diana Moore, mother of Michael Moore
Stevie Branch, Sr., father of Stevie Branch, Jr.
Terry Hobbs, stepfather of Stevie Branch, Jr

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jane March 20, 2012 at 10:23 pm

You seem to have forgotten Pam Hobbs, Stevie’s mother and Melissa and Mark Byers, Christophers parents. Why is this? Do they not count because Pam and Mark no longer believe in the guilt of the wm3? Just kinda curious.

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm

http://trenchreynolds.me/

Your going to love this :) I think I so agree with :)

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tom January 28, 2012 at 9:05 am

West Memphis 3 lawyers throw spaghetti against the wall to see if they can get it to stick to Terry Hobbs

hahahaha

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Donna January 27, 2012 at 10:23 pm

And is no one but me seeing the time frame for the murders. These murders were done by someone that was down there waiting for them .hmmm who said that is what they did . Oh yeah Jessie in his last confession.

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Donna January 28, 2012 at 3:48 am

Did Jason get his teeth done in prison?

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Donna January 28, 2012 at 4:19 am
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andrea turner June 5, 2012 at 9:20 am

Where is Michael Carson, that lying piece of shit that testified against Jason Baldwin? I hope you are dead, no thats to good. I hope you’re in prison serving a life sentence. I hope you know how great Jason’s life is now,( hopefully while you’re suffering). I wish I knew where you were! I would do anything, pay any amount to see you tortured.

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jane June 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm

So classy, AT. I’m guessing your a die hard supporter? You rise above all the wm3 were accused of, huh?

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alex June 14, 2012 at 1:40 pm

Interesting you never see misskelley’s original lawyer in the last documentary. Because he knows misskelley did it cause he even confessed it to him after he was convicted and didn’t need to do it. But again, that would go against the innocence scam they are pulling over everyone.

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