Misskelley silent at press and festival screenings of Paradise Lost 3

Via The Hoax, we have two reports of recent NYC screenings of Paradise Lost 3. There was a Q&A session after each screening. Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley were present at both events, but Misskelley declined to participate in the Q&A both times.

The Clicker, an NBC blog where “TV junkies … dish on the latest boob-tube news”, covered a press screening at HBO headquarters. The article is full of the usual misinformation. For example, “The trio — who have maintained their innocence since their arrest ….” As any reporter willing to do ten minutes of fact-checking would know, Jessie Misskelley did not maintain his innocence after his arrest or after his conviction. He repeatedly told the same story about how Echols, Baldwin and he killed the three boys.

The Clicker report contains this interesting bit about the post-screening Q&A: “Misskelley, however, spoke little and had to leave the room when the discussion turned to who the three thought had actually committed the crimes.”

A Hoax poster provides a first-person account of a New York Film Festival screening of Paradise Lost 3 later that day. This time Misskelley declined to participate in the Q&A altogether.

The staff had placed enough chairs on stage to accommodate the Three, the two directors and a moderator. But when the directors announced their “special guests,” only Echols and Baldwin emerged from the wings, and soon enough there was an explanation that Misskelley had chosen to stay up in the balcony area (where the Three had been first seen in spotlight during the end credits, to a standing ovation). When his absence on stage was announced, he waved down to the crowd and got another smattering of applause.

Jessie Misskelley committed a horrific crime 18 years ago. But he still possesses more moral integrity than Joe Berlinger or Bruce Sinofsky or Shelia Nevins (HBO’s “head of documentary and family programming”).

85 thoughts on “Misskelley silent at press and festival screenings of Paradise Lost 3”

  1. I just want to thank you for what you do here. Also, a big thanks to the regulars over at the Hoax site. It’s so important that the voice of reason and truth is out there for people to read. These three have received a second chance that they did not deserve and it sickens me that the myth continues to be broadcast through inaccurate reporting, lazy journalism and so-called celebrities in search of a cause/attention. Three killers are being treated like they’ve done something meaningful for society. Please keep it up. There are many of us who are largely silent, but know the truth about their guilt. In my heart I will always hold out hope that Jessie Misskelley will someday speak through a talented writer and tell us the real story of that night.

  2. Jessie has been begging out of every opportunity to speak to the press he’s had offered, for the most part. Including Piers Morgan. Honestly, I wish the guy would start talking, even though a part of me understands not wanting to be out in the fire.

    1. I grew up in Jonesboro, AR, just about 45 minutes from West Memphis. I was visiting home this past August and September, and happened to run into Jessie Miskelley at the Jonesboro Mall! I approached him, he was with 2 or 3 girls, maybe cousins, didn’t seem like romantic like relationships. In fact yes he mentioned that he was there visiting family.

      I can tell you, he is most definitely mentally challenged and does not speak very much at all. Actually I think an IQ of 72 is just about right, or perhaps a little higher than actuality.

      He is not a chatty guy. He doesn’t say a single word, unless he is directly asked a question, and even at that, he answers in just a few words or less. Think a 3 year old or 4 year old’s vocabulary and sophistication. I don’t mean to be rude to him. Just that he is mentally impaired and this totally accounts for his silence at these events. He’s not “hiding something” or anything like that. You would just have to meet him to know he is just a super simple minded guy. I knew other fellows like him growing up too. He’s not unique….

      1. Thank you, Liora, for a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT about Jessie. I taught many students with similar IQs and I totally agree with your assessment. Jessie is slow, and that is one contributing factor to his false statements to the police.

  3. Jessie Misskelley will be releasing a book mid 2012, explaining in full the actual events of that night, but based on a ‘fictional event’.
    So basically, a ‘if they done it, this is how it would of happened’ hypothetical scenario.
    Very similar to the OJ Simpsons book ‘If I did it’.
    The book will be published by Regan Books and will have absolutely no link to Jason Baldwin or Damien Echols.
    I believed that these young men were innocent, but this almost certainly proves that there is a very sad and sadistic side to this story.

    [WM3 Truth note: This suspiciously illiterate message was originally signed “Lindsay Deutsch” with a USA Today email address. The email address was fake, and the real Lindsay Deutsch says she did not write this comment. IT’S A PRANK MESSAGE. The information about Misskelley writing a book is false. I’m leaving the comment up for historical interest.]

  4. What would happen to jessie if he came out with another full confession in some sort of book or press release?. Am i right in thinking that due to the deal he cant be rearrested or put in jail again etc?.

    1. I think so, Dan. My understanding is that, because the Three pled guilty, there would be no legal repercussions for them should they speak about their guilt.

      If this understanding is correct, Jessie could offer yet another confession in whatever form, without concern that he would go back to jail for it.

    2. Unless it violated the terms and conditions of his release, Dan, the answer is “no.” There might be some civil repercussions but even those are in dispute. The man is sitting on a gold mine, both literal and figurative, of information that would blow the lid off this fraud.

      1. If only he could afford the council to do this and tell the truth. I iamgine the wm3 movement wont let him have any of the cash to do this!. They are paying the bill so unless a very wealthy non came along and offered to cover his legal fees and broker him a book deal then I think he will remain silent.

  5. They also let him into New Zealand. He is there now as a guest of Peter Jackson DESPITE the NZ immigration laws stating that nobody who has been in prison longer than five years is allowed into the country.

  6. GREAT website, whichever one of you created it.

    While it was a huge disappointment to see these three men walk out of prison, it wasn’t surprising. Not a single media outlet has yet had the courage to ask relevant questions, although it’s possible that they were limited in what they COULD ask. Larry King came the closest to really aiming for the truth. That’s a sad thing, considering that if ratings are so important to the media, they should realize that trying to get at the root of the unanswered questions in this case would bring HUGE interested…but whatever. I am at a total loss as to why no one has ever, EVER mentioned Damien Echols’ extensive mental health record. It’s as though it never happened, no matter how often you point it out to the media or anyone else, for that matter. Odd. Nor the numerous confessions of Jessie Misskelley. What is up with that? How can you honestly be in the media and IGNORE what’s fact? What’s the point?

    Just really wanted to say that I believe that it won’t take long for someone to crack anyhow. As soon as the media dies down and he’s made a buck and his five minutes, he will crack again. You can look at him, pay attention to his mannerisms and his demeanor on television and see it lurking beneath the surface. Since his mental illness has no “cure” and it’s highly doubtful he’s found a miracle drug to make him normal, I believe that all of this attention in the spotlight, his new “real” marriage, and coping with the world will send him back into the bizarre world he lived in prior to the murders, and soon. An interesting article -not hard to read between the lines and see the truth, in my opinion. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/magazine/a-death-row-love-story.html?_r=1

    His interview with Morgan was interesting considering he seemed just like Johnny Depp. The index finger never left his lips except when he managed to speak a few words…and then back it went to his lips, as though he was a scholar of important genious. It’s annoying to hear him speak as though he’s lived life in a jungle or something, completely devoid of human and wordly interaction, born to a wild monkey and raised by the herd. It’s hard to tell if he’s really struggling for his sanity or if he’s being very careful, but it sure seems odd.

    My prediction- just a matter of time, and although it galls me that not a single person has seemed to be able to get to Jessie Misskelley all of these years to ask questions, I believe he will speak one day and when he does, the conscience that he has always possessed will again bring him to the truth.

    1. to the owner of this site:

      how would you describe the relationship between steve branch and terry hobbs?

      did stevie wear jeans the day he died?

      is terry hobbs’ alibi solid at all?

      can you tell me exactly which laces were used to bind?

      thx in advance,
      lukas

  7. It’s a sad world, when a pathetic website like this still exists.

    When will you people learn that Jessie, Damien and Jason where innocent.

    The evidence has been as clear as day all this time, but there are still some ignorant minds out there.

    Please, If you would like an unbiased view of the truth go to http://www.wm3.org

    1. The “evidence” of the Three’s innocence is non-existent — though their defenders have certainly used the currently fashionable CSI-mentality (“no DNA, case goes away”) to advantage.

      This site provides an invaluable resource to those who would like FACTS about the case — facts downplayed or omitted entirely from the Paradise Lost films, which are advocacy pieces:

      From an interview with propagandist director Joe Berlinger: http://www.industrycentral.net/director_interviews/JOBE01.HTM

      “And then later I sat down and met [Echols], and within five minutes of talking to him, not only did I feel he was innocent, but all that evil that I had projected on him washed away. And I was embarrassed that I had fallen for the trap. I had read stuff and I had heard stuff, and I got caught up in this hysteria, and then when I met this guy, after I walked away from that first hour-long interview, I was convinced of his innocence…”

      “I totally acknowledge that this film [Paradise Lost] is very subjective. Hopefully what the film is doing, and why I feel OK about the subjectivity, is that we’re going for a higher emotional truth. We’re revealing stuff about the human condition that provokes thoughts about life — that’s the truth we’re going for. We’re trying to present to you our subjective journey of what we experienced. You see Mark Byers singing in church with his snakeskin boots, and then we cut to him at the shooting range. That is a manipulation of chronology, because a month passed between those two events. It’s subjective, it’s manipulative, but it’s emotionally truthful. Because what we’re trying to convey is that the image Mark Byers presents to his congregation and the image he presents to the jury when he’s on the stand sounding like Li’l Abner is much different than the Mark Byers the filmmakers are getting to know.”

      Funny how all that mushy-gushy emotional truthiness worked out with regard to Byers. Had the filmmakers focused for one moment on Byers’ documented, reasonably air-tight alibi — having left at 5:30PM to pick up his older son Ryan at the courthouse that day, and having driven around searching for missing Christopher with that stepson and wife from 6:30-7:30PM, even bumping into an officer during that search, and at just before 8:00PM calling the sheriff department himself — they would have been denied the chance to cast a whirlwind of suspicion on a big-mouthed guy that everybody now concedes had nothing to do with the murders.

      Paradise Lost 3 follows the usual Berlinger/Sinofsky playbook:
      1. Show the Three in a continuously positive light
      2. Cast suspicion on a step-father
      3. Profit

      Why change a formula when it works? As the saying goes, no one’s gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public . . .

      If you have challenges to specific FACTS listed on this site, we welcome hearing them. Anything else is the same empty mushy-gushy “truthiness” espoused by your hero filmmakers.

      1. So what you’re saying is that if they’d made a film about three people who actually had committed Satanic murders, there wouldn’t have been any profit in that? I’m thinking maybe at least a couple of people would have paid to see it. They’d probably also have paid to see follow-up films.

    2. People who support the WM3 are surprised when anyone doubts the innocence of Damien, Jason or Jessie. I guess if the WM3 supporters said the guys are innocent that should be an official seal of approval, right?

      It’s not like anyone behind the WM3 support team has ever come off as a know-it-all pretentious name-dropping L.A. blowhard. Then again, that’s everyone in Los Angeles. And before you say I insulted you and have resulted to name-calling let me say that I live in L.A. and I too have dropped a few names in my day. (I once spent an entire evening drinking with Keanu Reeves — he drank Jack Daniels on the rocks.)

      Yeah, I’m a hipster too. I was one of the “hipper” guys in my group who saw Paradise Lost during the Los Angeles film festival in 1996 at Raleigh Studios. I told everyone about the film and about “these three heavy metal kids who were convicted by a full moon and a mail order cult expert.” (BTW — Deep down inside I assumed the kids might have been involved on some level because they seemed so passive during the film and trials. I’m defective that way, I go with a red-light / green-light gut feeling.)

      As the years went on I bought the whole WM3 support story. All of these people can’t be fooled, right? Friends of mine played benefit concerts for the WM3. I never gave money — but I carried the message. It seemed like an open and shut case. It was just a matter of time before they got out. And they did get out. You have succeeded in doing something no one ever thought truly possible. If you’d like I’ll meet you in Silver Lake or Eagle Rock (where the cool kids go) and buy you and the guys from Rage Against The Machine some Victory Frappuccinos!

      Anyway…In the last few months I was surprised to find the callahans website and other sites like this one that have posted case documents and police files. I must have read thousands of documents — it sure seems like that. There was some odd stuff in there — Jessie Misskelley’s various confessions and the lack of alibis swayed me the most. To my surprise not all of the evidence pointed to the WM3’s innocence or whatever Johnny Depp or Eddie Vedder claim. While there is still doubt in my mind, I must say that I personally felt like I was had by the WM3 movement. No one likes to feel like a pawn or a jackass.

      Obviously you know something we don’t. You have access to the WM3 so you can look them in the eyes and ask the tough questions. We can’t. We only see well crafted press pieces and very guarded interviews. Without having the knowledge you possess, people like myself are very disturbed when we find Damien’s mental health record and legal discussions about additional confessions and bloody river banks, etc.

      When the original lawyers for the WM3 guys didn’t think their own clients were innocent, why is it so hard to comprehend that average people (and LA hipsters like myself) also think that the WM3 might have very well done this crime?

      BTW — Did you ever apologize to Mr. Byers for taunting him on camera about killing three children and implying that he also killed his own wife? It’s not like it was captured and preserved digitally forever. People are innocent until…whatever.

      1. i also had not seen the confession by Jessie in 1994 a year later, this story sounds much more plausible then his first confession. i have not come to a complete decision whether they are innocent or guilty for i have not read all the documents yet but i do have my doubts now that i discovered new information . I have not seen Jessie speak yet about his innocence. This leads me to believe he believes hes guilty . when Mr Carson the boy from juvenile hall had stated that Jason had told him he sucked the blood from the young boys penis n put his balls n his mouth truly nailed the coffin shut on Jason Baldwins innocence .Has anyone thought to reexamine him now, to still c if he stands by his story i kno they did in 96 and he stood by his story .
        i am still reading the documents n i agree with this comment i have my doubts too . u should always look into the evidence yourself not go on others opinions . after hearing Jessie misskelly second confession a year later it sounds most definite they may be guilty . listen to the one made in 1994 not the confession in 1993

        1. Roxy,

          You do realize that Jessie’s 1994 statement was AFTER his trial, don’t you? Of course it’s more believable because he just sat through his trial and heard the prosecution present their theory. (BTW, that’s all it is – a theory. They convinced a jury that it was the truth because the jury WANTED it to be the truth and because the prosecution attorneys were more adept at their jobs than the defense attorneys were. Period.) However, even this statement is ridden with errors, especially in the light of the seven certified forensic pathologists who have concluded that none of the injuries to the little boys were caused by a knife but were, in fact, postmortem animal predation and other things. Be sure to read all 900+ pages of the Rule 37 Abstracts for the Baldwin/Misskelley Rule 37 hearings (available on Callahan’s and several other sites as well). Some of the pathologists testify along with a lot of other people who Burnett originally disallowed or whose testimony he censored. As the hearing was not before a jury, these testimonies were allowed. Of especial interest is Joyce Cureton, Joseph Samuel Dwyer and Dr. Timothy Derning and, of course, the aforementioned pathologists.

    3. DK, any way to confirm that this is actually Burk Sauls?  THE Burk Sauls.  Co-Founder of the “Free the MM3” movement, architect of the release of the WM3?  Burk Sauls is lurking around on THIS website!?  Wow, having some doubts there Burk?  Concerned that it seems Johnny Depp has left your camp?  Finally doing some real research on BOTH SIDES of this case?  Why would a hard core supporter like you be trolling around this site unless you are having doubts?  Very interesting.  Hope you learned a few facts while you were here!  Oh, and nice plug there for your “unbiased” WM3.org site.  Here’s a challenge WM3truth.com folks.  Go to http://www.WM3.org and post this:  “The West Memphis Three are guilty.  Go to WM3Truth.com and read the FACTS.” Do that and see how long it takes for them to crucify you, then block you from their site.  “Unbiased”….whatever.

    4. Way to go Burk!!! I am so happy to see you saying something. This website AND it’s contents makes me want to VOMIT. And BTW people look up who Burk Sauls is. Jeez…for a well “educated” WEST MEMPHIS THREE site you would know.

  8. I agree with Burk, I believe the WM3 to be innocent and that is why they are free now.

    The only evidence (if you wanna call it that) is that Jessie Misskelly has confessed numerous times, Jasons confession, Damiens confession at the baseball park, no alibi, murder weapon, motive, failed polygraph by Damien and Jessie (Jason never took one), etc, etc and two convictions by a Jury…..Ohhh…Ummm… it was John Mark Byers… No, No I mean Mr Bojangles… No I mean terry Hobbs, yeah.. that’s it, its gotta be Terry Hobbs!!!

    1. Wow…funny every piece of your “evidence” has been found to be crap. Misskelly repeated what the cops said to get the reward (if you cant see that your IQ is lower than his), Jason DID NOT confess (M. Carson recanted his testimony & juvenile officer said he was lying), Damien was being a smart ass at the ballpark (those girls heard NOTHING but those words…come on! Clearly its a town of a bunch of uneducated rednecks, & we all know what goes on in places like that…rumors & gossip. Damien was already “that weird guy”), ALL had alibi’s and thats BS for you to say they didnt! The original trial lawyers didnt present their alibi’s! (Remember they were children not lawyers…they were at the mercy of their $19 an hour, PODUNK Ark attorneys), murder weapon HAHAHAHA enough said on that one. Fogelman KNEW that knife was in there LONG before the murders happened & that it couldnt have caused those POSTMORTEM animal wounds!, there was ZERO motive, first of all WHY are polygraphs NOT admitted in court..OH YEAH BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE, they were convicted in the public opinion before trials ever began. Geraldo made anyone that questioned their guilt seem stupid. He bagered Jessie Sr & Jessie Sr was RIGHT! Ive been to the scene when it hadnt rained for over 2 weeks. I was COVERED in mud! Its not just regular mud back there. Its THICK, STICKY, miss river delta mud. Every step more sticks to your shoe until each foot weighs 10lbs. Face it…they didnt do it. Gitchell knew it, Fogelman knew it. I think Burnett is stupid enough to think they did. He is right there with Misskelly. Anyone with any education at all in human behavior KNOWS they didnt do it. Funny how the top 7 patholigist all agree also. Gitchell was retiring, then this came along… He knew it was probably a trucker that he would never catch. He was gonna go out with the case of the century unsolved. He couldnt allow that to happen….and Jessie Misskelly gave him that out. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see why Jessie kept “confessing” and it had NOTHING to do with guilt. He thought he was doing what the cops wanted. He thought they KNEW he was lying. He thought they wanted him to say he was there, and then he would get the reward money. SAME reason vicki hutchison lied. Just the consequences of the rumor mill & ignorant, uneducated, superstitious, people.

  9. Yes Burk, almost as sad as the fact that not once in any of PL docs, not once in any interview, not once from the lips of the ignorant celebs who parrot the bullshit stream surrounding these 3 child murderers, has it ever been mentioned that Misskelley confessed 5 times, seriously Burk, how do you explain 5 confessions? Not to mention 2 of them were after he was convicted, already serving a life sentence, with Dan Stidham pleading with him not to. Burk, how do you coerce someone who has already been found guilty and is serving their sentence? Convenient that it’s never mentioned isn’t it? Strange how Jesse is being left out of the spotlight in all these interviews, you guys afraid he will cough up the truth again? Let me ask you a very serious question, what are you going to do when Jesse inevitably confesses again? Will you blow it off just your kind blow off no alibis for the 3 convicts? How about the necklace pendant with blood consistent with Baldwin and Stevie? Echols falls asleep at night laughing his ass off at you pathetic drones that have bought into this farce.

    If you were on trial for your life, for the murder of 3 eight year old boys, Burk, would you blow kisses to the victims parents? I’m sure you know your hero did just that, but he was just a misunderstood teen right? Nevermind the fact that he’s a self- confessed sociopath, with fits of manic depression, homicidal thoughts, and delusions of grandeur. See Burk, if this really is you, you have been had, the Paradise Lost documentaries boil down to nothing more than propaganda, a slanted take on a horrible tragedy that has turned what could have been a shred of justice for the three victims families, into a crusade to free 3 child butchering bastards. Congratulations on helping to free them, you disgust me.

  10. Also love how you added the wm3.org link as an unbiased view, yes, and right after that, go to http://www.neo-nazi.com for an unbiased view of the holocaust. You are a pathetic, ignorant sheep Burk, now go give the West Memphis Boogeyman a big hug will ya.

  11. The West Memphis three guys have been protesting their innocence since day one. Here are a few quotes where thay really hammer the point home:

    (from Paradise Lost 1)

    Paul Ford: Based on what you’ve heard up there, do you think Damien might have killed those three boys?

    Jason Baldwin: [after a long pause] They make it seem like he did.

    Paul Ford: Do you think he did?

    Jason Baldwin: I don’t know.

    Paul Ford: Would you have a hard time letting him go if you were on the jury?

    Jason Baldwin: Yeah.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Damien Wayne Echols: I knew from when I was real small people were gonna know who I was, I always had that feeling… I just never knew how they were gonna learn. I kind of enjoy it now because even after I die, people are gonna remember me forever. People are gonna talk about me for years. People in West Memphis will tell their kids stories… It’ll be sorta like I’m the West Memphis boogie man. Little kids will be looking under their beds – “Damien might be under there!”

    ——————————————————————————–

    Jessie Misskelley — 2012: “I never killed no one.” (That’s technically true.)

    ——————————————————————————–

    What does Damien’s former defense attorney think of the WM3 release?

    “The whole tenor of everything has changed quite a bit,” he said. Asked if he believed Echols was indeed innocent, Price squinted his eyes and shook his head again. “It’s hard to say,” he said.

    ———————————————————————————

    Remember this, Jason and Damien hardly even knew who Jessie was. They certainly didn’t hang around with each other — or did they? Let’s look at Matthew Baldwin’s statement to the cops regarding the day after the murders…

    “FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER THAT? (day after murders)

    MATTHEW: THE DAY AFTER THAT, I KNOW DAMIEN WAS OVER THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I THINK JESSIE CAME OVER THAT NIGHT, JESSIE AND SOME GIRL WERE IN A TRUCK

    FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

    MATTHEW: SOME GIRL IN TRUCK WERE TRYING TO GET DAMIEN TO COME OVER THERE, BUT DAMIEN DIDN’T WANT TO COME OVER THERE

    FOGLEMAN: THAT’S THE NEXT… THAT WAS THE NEXT DAY?

    MATTHEW: I THINK SO, YEA

    FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE GIRL IN THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE?

    MATTHEW: UH-UH

    FOGLEMAN: KNOW WHO SHE WAS?

    MATTHEW: SHE DIDN’T COME IN, SHE STAYED IN THE TRUCK

    FOGLEMAN: OKAY

    MATTHEW: AND THEN JESSIE LEFT IN THE TRUCK, AND DAMIEN STAYED OVER MY HOUSE

    FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID DAMIEN SPEND THE NIGHT THERE THAT NIGHT?”

    SNIP…

    So they didn’t know Jessie. He just stopped by their house 12 hours after the murders to talk about how much they never hung out together. Why would they pretend they didn’t know Jessie? Why not just have your alibi witnesses testify? You can’t be in two places at once? Right?

    They were drunk stupid kids — and they screwed up real bad.

    Whatever, the guys are out of jail. So supporters – YOU WON! But that doesn’t mean people can’t discuss the facts of the case or their opinions. The truth is going to creep in.

    If the WM3 guys don’t feel like talking about the case that’s their choice. If they want Jessie to stay quiet that’s fine too. But eventually this will end badly. Very badly.

  12. “As the saying goes, no one’s gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public . . .”

    I love this, Fred. How very, very true.

  13. I’M ANALYZIZING JASON BALDWINS OFFICIAL STATEMEMNT REGARD HIS TIMELINE NEAR MURDERS.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/bm_rule37/bm_rule37_baldwin.html

    HE HAS 15 YEARS TO CONSTRUCT THIS STORY… CAPS ARE MINE. lowercase words Jason’s.

    ESTIMATED TIME OF MURDERS: 6:30 — 8:00PM

    START TEXT ——

    Jason Baldwin (age 31)

    I recall telling my lawyers that on May 5 I got my brothers up for school.

    After school I recall returning to my house and seeing Damien and Domini sitting
    on the hood of an unusable car that was sitting in the front yard. Ken Watkins,
    another friend, came over. (BMHR 336-337). We were playing Super Unintended.

    I told the lawyers that Dink was there. Dink told me that I had a call from
    my uncle who wanted to know if I was going to go over and cut his grass. (BMHR
    337-338).

    I told the lawyers that my uncle was Hubert Bartoush. My uncle lived in
    West Memphis close to the Boy’s Club. (BMHR 337-338).

    I told the lawyers that Echoless, Domini and I walked from Lakeshore to my uncle’s house. I described our
    route of travel over the overpass, through the Walmart parking lot and past Kroger’s straight to my uncle’s house.

    By the time I cut the front lawn at my uncle’s house, Echols and Domini had left. Echols had relayed word through Ken Watkins that he had to go call his mother. (BMHR 338).

    After Watkins told me that, I finished mowing the lawn. My uncle paid me
    ten dollars.

    (NOTE KEN WATKINS SAYS DAMIEN WAS WITH JASON AT WALWART)

    (NOTE ACCORDING TO VARIOUS FAMILY STATEMENTS, JASON MOWED UNCLE’S LAWN UNTIL 6:30PM, THEN, HE SET OUT FOR WALMART TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. WALKING EVERYWHERE)

    Ken Watkins and I had returned to a Walmart, and we ran into an Asian
    guy named Kim. Ken Watkins and I played a video game called “Street Fighter 2″.
    ABSTRACT 71

    Watkins stayed there (WALMART), I returned to Lakeshore. I went home.

    (NOTE: JASON IS NOW ALONE ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LEGAL STATEMENT. WHAT TIME DID HE LEAVE? WHAT TIME DID HE GET HOME?)

    (NOTE: WATKINS SAID IN HIS 1994 STATEMENT THAT WATKINS WENT HOME ALONE AND JASON STAYED AT WALMART WITH DAMIEN)

    (NOTE: WATKINS SAID IN HIS POLICE INTERVIEW THAT WHEN HE LEFT FOR HOME ALONE FROM WALWART, “THEY” WERE GOING TO THE BOWLING ALLEY)

    When I returned home, Dennis “Dink” Dent was still there, as were my
    brothers. I said I was in my home for a while before I went to Adam’s house.
    (BMHR 340).

    (NOTE: DENNIS DINK DENT SAYS JASON GOT HOME “BETWEEN 8 — 8:30PM” — HE ALSO SAID THAT JASON’S MOM CALLED BETWEEN 9-9:30PM, AND THAT JASON MADE IT HOME SHORTLY BEFORE THEN NOTING IT WAS ALREADY DARK. THE SUN SET AT 7:57: EXACT — May 5, 1994 6:15 AM 7:57 PM )

    (NOTE: JASON’S BROTHER MATTHEW GAVE A STATEMENT THAT JASON CAME HOME AROUND “7-OR 7:30PM” WITH KEN)

    (NOTE: WATKINS SAID IN HIS STATEMENT HE WENT BACK TO JASON’S AT 7:00PM TO HANG WITH JASON, DAMIEN AND DOMINI — JASON MENTIONS NONE OF THESE DETAILS IN THIS STATEMENT)

    (NOTE: DOMINI, DAMIEN AND JASON NEVER MENTIONED BEING TOGETHER IN THEIR ORIGINAL POLICE INTERVIEW IN FRONT OF JASON’S HOUSE. THEY NEVER EVEN MENTIONED WALMART. DAMIEN WAS SUPPOSSEDLY WITH HIS FAMILY IN A CAR (DRIVING TO PHARMACY AT 4:30PM) AND AT FAMILY FRIEND’S HOUSE 6:30-7:15PM, AND DOMINI — WHO WAS DROPPED OFF AFTER BEING PICKED UP BY DAMIEN’S FAMILY AT 3:45 BUT SOMEHOW GOT HOME AFTER 7PM. NEEDLESS TO SAY, NONE OF THESE TIMELINES ADD UP AT ALL.)

    At the time my mother would call home from work. I knew that I had to be
    home or else I would get grounded. (BMHR 340-341).

    (NOTE: HIS MOTHER CALLED DAILY DURING WORK BREAKS BETWEEN 9:00-9:30PM — DENT’S STATEMENT)

    I recall that day that I had tried to purchase a tape recording from Adam,
    who lived next door to me. I had gotten money from my uncle, and I used some of
    that to buy a music tape from Adam. I went back home after that. I recall eating
    supper, and talking on the phone to Holly and to Heather, my girlfriend at the time.
    I remember also talking by phone to Damien, and to Jennifer. I also recall talking
    to Dink Dent at home that evening. We watched TV before I went to bed.

    (NOTE: DAMIEN DIDN’T GET HOME TILL SOMETIME AROUND 9:30PM ACCORDING TO JENNIFER BEARDEN — THE SAME GIRL WHO CALLED DAMIEN AT 8:00PM AND WAS TOLD HE WASN’T HOME. JASON COULD NOT HAVE TALKED TO DAMIEN PRIOR TO 9:30. DAMIEN AND JASON LIVED AN EQUAL DISTANCE FROM THE ROBIN HOOD HILLS CRIME SCENE, EACH IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS)

    (NOTE: JASON SAYS HE GOT HOME AND THEN TALKED WITH DINK, WENT TO ADAM’S AND BOUGHT TAPE, BACK HOME AND ATE DINNER, THEN TALKED TO 5 SEPERATE PEOPLE ON THE TELEPHONE (HOLLY, HEATHER, JENNIFER, DAMIEN AND HIS MOTHER), THEN WATCHED TV BEFORE SLEEP)

    (NOTE: IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT TIME HE GOT HOME…)

    SO…

    IN BALDWIN’S DEFENSE — THE “GOOD”

    ACCORING TO HIS STATEMENT: HE CUT THE LAWN TILL 6:30,THEN WENT TO WAL-MART WITH KEN, LEFT KEN THERE AND WALKED HOME ALONE AND HIS LITTLE BROTHER SAYS HE SAW HIM AS EARLY AS 7:00PM. SOUNDS PRETTY SOLID. SHOULD HAVE PRESENTED THIS IN COURT, NO?

    THIS LEFT HIM ALMOST ZERO TIME TO HANG AROUND ROBIN HOOD HILLS AND DRINK WITH JESSIE AND JASON — BEFORE AMBUSHING KIDS WHO STUMBLED ON HANGOUT SPOT.

    KEN WATKINS NEVER TESTIFIED IN COURT — NEITHER SIDE FELT CONFIDENT ENOUGH, OR BOTH FEARED SOMETHING WATKINS MIGHT SAY.

    NEITHER SIDE ASKED FOR OR COULD ATTAIN PHONE RECORDS. THIS WHOLE CASE COULD BE SETTLED BY PHONE RECORDS, RIGHT?

    JASON NEVER SPOKE WITH THE COPS AFTER HIS ARREST. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE TO GO BY. HE NEVER TOLD THEM ANYTHING UNDER OATH. HE NEVER TOOK A POLYGRAPH. THEY APPARENTLY COULDN’T BREAK SOMEONE AS TOUGH AS JASON BALDWIN.

    THESE POLICE INTERVIEWS MAKE ZERO SENSE. THE LINE OF QUESTIONING AND LACK OF SPECIFICS IN MANY STATEMENTS IN THIS CASE WORK FOR THE DEFENSE. IS EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE RETARDED?

    WHAT LOOKS “BAD” FOR BALDWIN:

    HE HAD 15 YEARS TO COME UP WITH THIS STATEMENT AND STILL LEAVES HIMSELF WALKING ALONE IN THE AREA NEAR CRIME SCENE DURING HOURS CHILDREN WERE KILLED.

    ALIBI STATEMENTS JASON AND DAMIEN ORIGINALLY MADE TO THE POLICE FALL APART ACCORDING TO JASON’S OFFICIAL VERSION. THEY HAVE ZERO ALIBIS — AND THIS STATEMENT DOSEN ‘T DO ANYTHING TO HELP.

    NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHERE HE WAS BETWEEN AS EARLY AS 4:30 AND AS LATE AS 9:00PM–9:30 (DINK’S STATEMENT HAS 9:30 AS LATEST TIME) MATTHEW BALDWIN ISN’T SURE OF ALL THE DETAILS IT SEEMS AT TIMES. IT SEEMS LIKE JASON DID MOW THE LAWN, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CONFUSE DATES. KEN WATKINS CLAIMS JASON DIDN’T MOW THE LAWN THAT DAY.

    EVEN IF HE MOWED THE LAWN, THERE IS STILL TIME FOR JASON TO HAVE COMMITTED THE MURDERS.

    ACCORDING TO JASON, DAMIEN LEFT HIS UNCLE’S HOUSE AND WENT HOME BEFORE JASON WAS FINISHED. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE JASON OR BELIEVE KEN WATKINS, EITHER WAY THEY SEPERATED FROM ONE ANOTHER WHIEL IT WAS STILL LIGHT OUT.

    DID JASON HAVE TIME TO MOW A LAWN, GET TEN BUCKS AND THEN MEET DAMIEN AND JESSIE NEAR THE WOODS TO DRINK ALCOHOL? LET’S SAY THEY DRANK FOR ALMOST AN HOUR IN THE WOODS NEAR ROBIN HOOD HILLS (FITTING WITH JESSIE’S LATER CONFESSIONS) AND THEN JUMPED THE KIDS AFTER 6:30PM. THE KILLINGS MIGHT HAVE TAKEN 10-20 MINUTES. DRUNK IDIOT TEENS TAKE THINGS TOO FAR? NO ACTUAL RAPE, BUT MORE HUMILIATION AND DEGRADING SIMULATION AS JESSIE SAYS? they THE KNIVE SWINGS ANS FEARFUL TUANTS BLEED BEYOUND REPAIR….THEY TIE KIDS UP AND HIDE BIKES AND CLOTHES. JESSIE BOLTS OFF EARLY — HE’S NOT THAT TIGHT WITH THEM THAT HE’S GOING TO GO DOWN FOR CAPITAL MURDER

    BODIES ARE DROWNED AND HIDDEN UNDER WATER, QUICKLY AND CRUDELY. A QUICK ONCE OVER ON THR SCENE WITH SOME STICKS AND POND WATER ON RIVER BANKS — AND LIKE THAT, SIX LIVES DESTROYED FOREVER. BUT ONLY THREE WALKED FROM THOSE WOODS IN THREE SEPERATE DIRECTIONS. THE COVERUP WAS IN FULL EFFECT, BUT THIER ALIBIS WOULD NEVER GELL TOGETHER. Wildcard Jessie was scared — even crying. A month later his name came up for questioning… in three hours he broke. he told a twisted and disjointed version of the sad truth. It was all over…

  14. In my long-winded and poorly written post above, I was trying to figure out — based on Jason’s own alibi statement — exactly how long it took him to walk home alone from Walmart to his home at the Lakeshore trailer park.

    Here is a map that shows you both Jason’s trailer park (Lakeshore / upper left) and Damien’s trailer park (Highland / lower right) If you draw a line from Lakeshore to Highland the midpoint would be — WAIT FOR IT.. The discovery site.

    http://www.jivepuppi.com/jivepuppi_the_place.html

    Walmart is about 3,000 feet south of Jason’s house, located on the I-40 turnoff on the map. He could walk home in under 10 minutes easily.

    So if he finished mowing a lawn at 6:30 (that’s his own safe estimate) and made it to Walmart a few minutes later and, lets say played 10 minutes of video games before leaving at 6:50pm, alone — he would have made it home by 7:00pm. Sounds good to me!

    But if he didn’t get home until say 8:30-9:00pm (or even closer to 9:30 as one account has), then where do you suppose he was during those few missing hours. Look at the map and see if you can figure out where you would meet your friends to get drunk in a private place. Hint: Walk down the road a mile south-east!

    When I was a teenager we would walk a few miles to hang around this deserted wooded area near the train tracks and drink beer. But I was 16 years old and didn’t know better — it seemed like a cool, private spot at the time. Well, I guess there is one wooded area somewhere near there on that map. Now if only they knew how to get alcohol…

  15. Has there ever been a media lie this big with this thin a layer of bullshit on top? It’s brutally frustrating that people have been fooled by this, when all they would have to do (seemingly), is scratch the surface just a little bit, to see that Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley committed this crime.

    Thank you for this site and the posts on this blog.

  16. Johnny Depp said:

    DEPP: “Because I — I knew immediately, you know, when I — when I first started to get, you know, kind of familiarize myself with the case, I knew instantly that they were innocent. I knew instantly that they were wrongfully accused. And the more research I did and the more people I spoke to, it was absolutely apparent.”

    The two key points are — “more research I did” and “more people he spoke to.”

    Do you think his research was similar to every journalist and film reviewer up to this point? Why wouldn’t it be? This was a major coup for the WM3 support — biggest box-office star in the world equals public relations victory. They spun Depp like a wheel!

    Who do you think Depp talked with more about this case? Eddie Vedder or John Fogelman? Burk Sauls or Gary Gitchell? He talked to people that would tell him that he was right — and virtually all of them said “no dna, no case – retarded kid, false confessions -Terry Hobbs, Bojangles Man.” 99.9% of the people who know about this case, only know the case from the perspective of the Paradise lost filmmakers. You can tell yourself otherwise all you want — but in your heart you know the truth.

    When in doubt, what would be the Hollywood thing to do? In Johnny Depp’s mind he saved a guys life. If anyone tells him otherwise, they will be escorted from the room by security.

    Who do you think he spoke to?

  17. I was under the impression depp stored stopped being a supporter after blink on crime did a case analysis for his publicist and assured him the three were indeed guilty.

  18. I don’t think the Blink on Crime angle was ever verified. She brought out some great points and is very smart, but the WM3 advocacy has the easier softer road as far as pushing their message. They’ve been saying the same message for almost 2 decades — its easy to remember.

    While this site here is a very effective — it’s still battling Goliath. The WM3 guys have an army of advocates who want to believe they are making a difference — as misguided as it might be. They also have a very effective public relations team behind their campaign.

    This is one of the companies helping to craft their message and arrange press articles: http://www.soury.com/ These guys have CNN, LA Times, NY Times and 48 Hour producers on speeed-dial. The pitch the story and the shows (and journalists) repeat them. They are paid well for their services.

    I’m not saying that anyine should give up — I’m just asking a simple question: What can we learn from the Free the WM3 guys?

  19. Here’s an example of the WM3 PR mastermind spinning his story (play video):

    http://www.soury.com/index.php/media-placements/west-memphis-3

    Notice how he (the head of the PR agency) actually slips in Jessie’s IQ, but lowers the number by 20 points, and then just keeps on hammering the “story” — almost looking into the camera at a few points. People watching this hear one message — “a retarded kid was tricked into an impossible false confession.”

    Imagine him repeating this story on the phone everyday and all day for years — except he’s talking to reporters and celebrities.

    1. Thanks for posting this. Some of my personal favorites by Lonnie Soury in this clip:

      Re Echols: “a little different….he wore black and listened to music” -(gee, he must have been like all the other kids in town, except he was batshit crazy)

      Re Jessie’s confession: “was put in the position being promised the reward money and a number of other things” -(didn’t enumerate ’cause he does not have any factual basis for the statement)

      Re Jessie: “inadequate counsel…rush to judgement” -(yeah, all the conviced killers complain of the same things)
      “prosecutors introduce evidence that was unethical and wasn’t proven” -(unethical evidence and unproven evidence? wtf does that statement mean?)

  20. Blink’s analysis was so good. Very thorough and very well articulated.

    The fact that Depp is still a supporter after that (and he must have read it – his publicist is the one who asked her to do it) makes him even more of an idiot than I thought.

    He probably thinks it’s “cool” to support three killers.

  21. Darn… you are right Christina, Shannon, and Whitelilly… it appears Johnny Depp is still a supporter. He was interviewed on some “CNN news special” that Larry King did on October 16, 2011. This makes me sick. I’ve covered every detail of this thing for 18 years and I was never “instantly sure” of ANYTHING about this case. Guess Johnny’s just much smarter and more perceptive than the rest of us since he could be “instantly sure” of innocence the minute he watched Paradise Lost. Here’s the transcript:

    KING: What do you make of finally the release of the Memphis Three? You got involved in that battle. We did a whole show on it.

    DEPP: Yes.

    KING: We had them on. And they still not — they’re guilty. They’re out. But it’s crazy.

    DEPP: It’s a very strange thing the state of Arkansas presented to them. Essentially, you know, to say, OK. All you have to do is say that we have the evidence to convict you again, and — but we’ll do time served and you’re out. Admitting guilt, maintaining your innocence. So it’s a very — you know, it’s a really floppy piece of ground to stand on.

    KING: Why did you get involved?

    DEPP: Because I — I knew immediately, you know, when I — when I first started to get, you know, kind of familiarize myself with the case, I knew instantly that they were innocent. I knew instantly that they were wrongfully accused. And the more research I did and the more people I spoke to, it was absolutely apparent.

    KING: Did you have anybody say to you, you know, Johnny, you go out on a limb on a thing like this.

    DEPP: Oh, yes, yes. A lot of people.

    KING: Like what if they did it? You’re going to look bad.

    DEPP: There was that kind of thing. Yes. But I just knew. I just knew, you know. I — it was just — it was ugly and — and a raw deal from the get-go. Back in ’93. And you’re thinking of these three kids, you know, one, Damien Echols on death row for 18 years. Ten years in isolation. You know, for a crime that he did not commit.

    KING: You think Obama should pardon them?

    DEPP: I mean, it would be wonderful. I don’t — I think he’s probably got a few other things on his mind at the moment. But, yes, yes. What I’m hoping is that the investigation will continue outside the courthouse right now and we will be able to prove the real killers.

  22. The state didn’t “present” the defense w/ the plea — it was the other way around.

    You would think Depp would know this.

      1. Johnny Depp is man of honor. Once he makes up his mind, it’s set in stone. He even got a tattoo on his body that reads “Winona Forever” in honor of his wife!

    1. lol! if only that was Johnny, could tell him what a moron i think he is! fame and money doesnt buy you intelligence or common sense.

    2. Don’t lie, Johnny. We all know you decided based off your ‘intuition’, just like you said on Lousy King Live.

      But Johnny? Help a brotha’ out. What’s up with this blankoncrime insider bullshit you got going? She says she’s like the friend of the guy who’s sister walks the dog of your neighbor at your summer place……I’m sorry, your FORMER summer place in the South of France, before you woke up one day to rioting in the streets (they’ve been doing that in France for the last five centuries, maybe if you’d stayed in school you’d have known that.) so tell us all, Johnny, ‘enquiring minds’ want to know :

      You got some sort of special thing going with Shannon Stoy? Or is she all bullshit?

  23. From a recent Larry King interview with Johnny Depp:
    KING: You think Obama should pardon them?
    DEPP: I mean, it would be wonderful. I don’t — I think he’s probably got a few other things on his mind at the moment. But, yes, yes. What I’m hoping is that the investigation will continue outside the courthouse right now and we will be able to prove the real killers.

    A question for any attorney types out there. I was under the impression that the President of the United States could only pardon FEDERAL crimes. The West Memphis murders were STATE crimes, were they not?

    From Wikipedia:
    In the United States, the pardon power for federal crimes is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”

  24. I guess I’m confused as to how stage fright makes someone a murderer. I’ve read the entire Callahan site, and whether or not you think they did it, there is AT THE VERY LEAST reasonable doubt!

  25. I think New Zealand is a good match for Echols and his wife. The country ranks internationally in the top 25 for per capita rates for homicide, top thirty for robbery and assault, no statistics available for child killing.

    But really, folks, what part of “GUILTY” don’t you understand? Paperwork doesn’t say kinda, doesn’t say sorta, it says GUILTY. Means what it says.

    1. New Zealand here, load of rubbish NZ is one of the safest countries in the world. We do not have serial killers as an example. As to Echols we here have heard nothing about him. Do you reckon he is ever going home?

  26. I want SO badly to ask Domini about what she said during these early investigation days. I’ve seen her at a fast food place here where she lives, we have a mutual acquaintance, heck I’ve even wanted to ask her if she has said anything at all.

  27. I get that there are some non-believers out there. It’s no different than the 9-11 conspiracy theorists. And I believe that there is no changing their minds. And I will not lie to any of your readers, I believe they wm3 are innocent.

    But I did not just come to this conclusion by seeing the movies. I too have read the books, articles, seen news reports and interviews outside the documentaries. I have read a lot of what is on this site (not all to be honest). And I only stop reading on this site because of how it is presented. It’s written in a very vindictive way. And I’m all for your passion, all of you. But I almost feel like you all have a vested interest in the case. Almost like a family member. That I would understand.

    So I have done a better amount of research than people who just follow because they are Pearl Jam fan’s etc. Which to be honest think that any way to get something noticed and for justice to be done is to spread the word. So kudos to that. I’m also educated and I actually still believe in the Death Penalty. I live in the Mid West. I have children. I guess I’m saying I’m just a regular guy. I have nothing to gain from this. And I don’t even jump on this kind of stuff in a passionate way ever. This is my only cause.

    And the bottom line in all of this to me is no matter what side you are on…and I don’t intend to change any minds… is that the trial was not fair. It just wasn’t. And my fear in this world and our country is that we need justice or we are nothing. And these boys did not receive it. Not even close. And that is what you all need to concern yourself with. I keep reading about the anonomous jury etc. But that town was in a fever pitch and was scared and looking for a face to put with the evil that was done.

    This story is sad from so many angles. And breaking down your stories the way you break down the movies leaves so much speculation and loop holes that you would be laughed out of a police station or court on face value alone. You break down what you call lies with more lies. You even have a few false facts. Which makes it even worse. I’m all for a cause. Really. But if your only means is to lie then what is really the point. It makes you no better than the people that lied in that court that day. I have read the transcripts of the trial concerning the interrogation, which is really a strong sticking point for your site, and you are lying. Your timeline is a lie. Flat out. And I just don’t get why. It’s confusing. Because what you stand for is justice. And you want justice and want to show all the lies etc, but do so by lying. The facts of that point alone is when he was picked up and when it was all said and done. It was 12 hours. I’m not even touching what was said in it. Those points alone are enough to prove reasonable doubt to it all.

    As for a lot of your sections about friends who said Damien told them etc… If it was real evidence it would have been used. And the people they did use have since recanted. This too would at least show that there was some funny business going on during this trial. If the state had a good case this stuff would not have been necessary. But there was tampering and game playing. That is not normal. It’s not fair. It’s scary.

    And the bottom line is that if the state truly felt they had a strong case do you really think they would have let them go? There is proof of that all over the world.

    I applaud you all. I really do. The conviction in you all is to be applauded. And keep fighting your fight. As I stated I don’t intend to change your minds. I know that will not happen. But maybe there is a side that might feel that maybe an added fight that both sides can agree on is that better jobs must be done by the police and courts so that there is less wiggle room. I don’t know. I know that I don’t know and that is more than a lot of people can say right now. But I know that it scares me that so many loopholes can be seen from both sides and that this could easily happen to all of us. Godspeed truth seekers.

    1. And the bottom line in all of this to me is no matter what side you are on…and I don’t intend to change any minds… is that the trial was not fair.

      There were two different trials. Which was unfair? Were they both unfair?

      There was plenty unfair about those trials for the prosecution. For example, the defense was allowed to claim there was no blood found at the crime scene, when there actually was blood found at the crime scene.

      Private investigators working for the Echols defense convinced a key prosecution witness, William Winford Jones, not to testify on the day before his scheduled testimony.

      The Baldwin/Echols jury was not allowed to hear Jessie Misskelley’s tape-recorded confessions from 6/3/93 or 2/8/94 or 2/17/94.

      Neither jury was allowed to hear the overwhelming evidence about Echols’ history of violence and homicidal ideation in the year before the murders. Echols’ ex-girlfriend told investigators in May 1993, “Damien once told me that he had never killed anyone but wondered what it would feel like.” She was not allowed to mention this at trial.

      So the “unfair trial” thing works both ways.

      1. You’re absolutely correct. From both sides!!! I could not agree more. Hence my entire point. Justice was therefore not correctly served.

        To your point about a witness of testifying I am puzzled. Were they forced not to? Did they come out later and say they wish they had? Thats a real question I have. Not to be confused with an attack. I had not read this bit or at least I don’t remember. But it seems odd as to why they really changed there mind. I say that only because I myself just could not live with the fact that I had done that. That’s not to say people can’t. I just could not. Even if I screwed up then I would be screaming at the top of my lungs at every screening later. Well good luck to you. Really.

        1. And I didn’t ignore the points bout Damien. I hit post to quick. I don’t think that it would have swayed the verdict any further to hear it. But being an idiot teen who said stupid stuff and was ridiculed does not a murderer make. Again just my belief. And to counter that we have Columbine. But what I did see and read bout this kid was a stupid kid who just thought he was cool being different. And went that extra mile to be weird.

    2. Your timeline is a lie. Flat out. And I just don’t get why. It’s confusing. Because what you stand for is justice. And you want justice and want to show all the lies etc, but do so by lying. The facts of that point alone is when he was picked up and when it was all said and done. It was 12 hours.

      Can you be more specific? Tell me where the lies are. When did this 12-hour interrogation begin and end?

      1. Hey sorry I should have proofed my post better. My wording is wrong. The official interrogation is not 12 hours. Which I believe is the wiggle room in that argument. And I can see why that would be frustrating to hear bent in that manner. But he was there the 11 plus hours. I just don’t believe that jessie just sat there without any contact and fear being put upon him. That is clearly just my belief. I’m. Of trying to force you to come to my side. This was a scared kid and not the sharpest tool. And I think he was scared from sitting in a station not from guilt. The pressure that occurred inside that station is purely my own beliefs. And il be honest I don’t trust police to not be human and make mistakes. And I think some games had been played before during and after. Just my own belief.

        I don’t claim to be the smartest guy around. Nor do I know everything about what happened. I’m happy that I saw the movies. It opened the story to me. I read a lot. A drew my own conclusions. And I believe in my heart that I am right and they are innocent. I do thank you for your site and a lot I did learn.

        I again wish you all well.

        1. But he was there the 11 plus hours.

          OK, when did that 11 plus hours begin and end?

          My info shows Misskelley arriving at the WMPD station at 10:00 am that day, and his tape-recorded confession taking place between 2:44pm and 3:18pm. That’s a lot less than 11 hours. Am I missing something?

          1. The statement that ended at 3:18 was so error-filled that Judge Pal Rainey wouldn’t issue arrest warrants based on it and Gitchell and his cohorts had to get a “corrected” statement from Jessie. IIRC, that statement was concluded around 5 pm.

            I don’t believe that Chad was saying that Jessie was interrogated for the entire time he was in custody. I’m not saying that, either. However, for someone of Jessie’s IQ, simply being in custody is frightening and can easily produce false statements. The sad thing is that it’s perfectly legal for LE to browbeat people in this way – just as long as they don’t hit them! Wow! What a concession to decency!

            As I have stated elsewhere, Jessie entered the police station around 9:30 (by your own BS timeline) but, according to the WMPD time log, the arrest warrant wasn’t signed until after 9 pm. That’s pretty near 12 hours.

            http://callahan.8k.com/images/jessiem/time_log_02.JPG

            It’s interesting to me that there are two arrest forms for Jessie, both indicating the time of arrest as 2:44 pm, when his recorded statement began, and citing an arrest warrant that wasn’t issued until hours later. The only difference I can see between the two forms is that the second one removed the word “Miranda” when referring to Jessie’s rights.

            When you read the log above, note that Jessie. who had been in custody since at least 10 that morning, was not fed until after 6 pm and was not offered to go to the bathroom until after that. (Yes, I see that he was offered food AFTER they had their recorded statement, which he declined. He was probably too sick at his stomach to eat after the lies he had just told. Even if he had taken food at that time, that’s quite a while without being offered anything.) IMO, that’s a little brutal. Oh, never mind, I forgot, they were getting a “confession.” They can do things like depriving someone of food and bathroom.

  28. Ok I was trying to leave this alone. But I cannot anymore. I want to tell all you special people here. My sons father works as a correctional officer. I can explain to you why probably Jessie is having a hard time speaking. It has nothing to do with guilt. Try being locked up in a big building and not having any contact with the outside world unless it visits you. And being around the same people and the same routine for EIGHTEEN YEARS. Then go from that to speaking to people you have never met sometimes in front of thousands. It would be very hard and you would be very nervous. My sons father has told me alot of the men he works around fear being around people. And sometimes they get so used to the routine they reoffend to get back to where they feel safe.

  29. Where is this leading. The guys did almost eighteen years, there is doubt over there convictions. Your courts have let them go under certain conditions. I can not say for sure they are innocent. Maybe this needs to be left. New Zealand has released prisoners here, who cannot be proved guilty beyond a doubt. For all people strong feelings, they are free and the strong feelings do not change that. Move on.

    1. The American justice system has found itself corruptible by various influences. Some people decide to speak out when that happens. I believe there was enough doubt and shoddy police work (Misskelly confession transcripts read like a “How Not to Interrogate” manual) to get the men off, but I respect people’s desire to fight undue influence on justice. I also think they did it–but mistakes made early in the investigation hampered it.

  30. Dee,

    Speaking for myself, as a supporter, I want to see the men exonerated because I firmly believe them to be innocent. I don’t presume to speak for others. However, sometimes it seems to me that all some people want to do is argue. As to moving on, I simply can’t do that as long as three innocent men have bogus murder convictions on their record.

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