Did Echols and Misskelley know each other?

One fairly recent but now common WM3 supporter talking point is: Echols and Misskelley barely knew each other at the time of the murders, didn’t hang out together, so it’s far-fetched to think they committed a murder together. Here’s one example from our comment section. Echols himself has made this claim in interviews, and no journalist has challenged him or fact-checked (not that I’ve seen, at least) on this point.

There’s actually plenty of evidence that Echols and Misskelley knew each other.

On May 28, 1993, Vicki Hutcheson told police that Misskelley introduced her to Echols:

Hutcheson: A Little Jessie, Jessie Misskelley, lives down the street from me […] Jessie told me about a friend of his named Damien and this friend drank blood and stuff. He just kept going on and on on about how weird he was and stuff. […] Jessie had told me that Damien hang out at Lakeshore, and so I went out of my way you know to to try to go around Lakeshore and you know people around there. And I told Jessie I had seen Damien, and he asked me how did i know that it was Damien? And I said that there was a little boy Adam who’s a friend of mine’s little boy which he’s about their age and he had pointed out pointed him out to me and he said he said well you know he’s kinda weird. I said no I think he’s hot I really want to go out with him can you fix me up with him. And you know he was real surprised but he said yeah, if you want to go out with him I’ll fix you up with him. And he did.

Vicki Hutcheson was a pathological liar seeking reward money, definitely not a trustworthy source. However, this story about Misskelley setting her up with Echols was confirmed by others. Christy Dawn Jones told police in October 1993:

About the middle of May a Vickie Hutchison who lived in Highland trailer park asked Jessie if he knew Damien. Jessie said that he knew him from school. Vickie asked Jessie to introduce her to Damien. This all took place at Vickie’s house. Me, Jessie, Christie Anderson, Vickie, and her son Aaron were all present during this conversation.

The newly married Christy Jones-Moss testified for the defense at Misskelley’s trial. On cross-examination, she repeated this story:

Q: Just one other question. It is true that Jessie Misskelley introduced Vickie Hutchinson to Damien Echols, right?
A: Yes, sir, he said he had knew Damien –
Q: I didn’t-
A: -from school.
Q: And Jessie knew him well enough that he was able to introduce Vickie to him, correct?
A: Yea.

In a September 93 interview, Jason Baldwin’s little brother Matthew recalled an encounter between Misskelley and Echols outside the Baldwin home on May 6 (the day the bodies were found):

Matthew: The day after that, I know Damien was over that night because I think Jessie came over that night, Jessie and some girl were in a truck
Fogleman: Uh-huh
Matthew: Some girl in truck were trying to get Damien to come over there, but Damien didn’t want to come over there
Fogleman: That’s the next … that was the next day?
Matthew: I think so, yea
Fogleman: Okay, you remember what the girl in the truck look like?
Matthew: Uh-uh
Fogleman: Know who she was?
Matthew: She didn’t come in, she stayed in the truck
Fogleman: Okay
Matthew: And then Jessie left in the truck, and Damien stayed over my house

A kid named John Perschke told police about an occasion when Misskelley, Buddy Lucas, Echols and Baldwin were hanging out in a group:

In January of 1992 me and JoJo and Willard was going down the railroad trussle to mess around and we heard some one walking up ??? we tried to hide and Jason Damian Jesse Buddy and few other boys were with them and so Jessie shoved me agaisnt the side of the ??? and so Jessie was just talking to me and then after a while Jessie took a knife out of his pocket and put a knife to my throught and he said would you like to be dead and so he shoved the knife harder and so he put the knife up and then Jessie hit me and Buddy two and then I couldn’t tell who all was hitting me Damian and Jason and the other boys were ??? on the railroad tracks and then he was yelling at me and then they all left I walked home I was coufing up blood.

A kid named Renee Flesher described the same incident:

About a year ago “92” in January or Febuary I was with Jessica Maretti and John Perschka had been messin with her, so she went over where Jessie was and told him what John was doin and where he was. And Jessie already wanted to beat John up. So we all went out there (me, Jessica, Jessie, Damien, Jason, and Buddy). And they found him. Well Jessie had a knife and he pulled it out and threatened to cut John’s throat and John was tellin him “no”. Me, Jessie, Jessica and Buddy were all down by a ditch, and Damien and Jason were on the bridge. Then Jessie started punchin John in the stomach. John was sittin there cryin so I told Jessica to tell Jessie to stop cause i knew he wouldn’t listen to me and him and Jessica are kinda close. So he stopped and we all walked away. And John couldn’t breathe and was coughin up blood, me and Jessica went with John to his house and everyone else was laughin and walked off.

Buddy Lucas’s cousin Charlotte Bly recalled seeing Echols, Baldwin, Misskelley and Lucas together:

Ridge: Okay, Jason Baldwin did you know him?
Bly: I meant him one time
Ridge: Where did you meet him?
Bly: At Lakeshore trailer park
Ridge: Who was he with when you meet him?
Bly: Jessie Misskelley, Damien Echols, and Buddy Lucas
Ridge: So they were all together?
Bly: And a bunch of other boys

Misskelley’s friend Dino Perfetti told police that Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley arrived together at the skating rink soon after the murders:

I can remember I’d seen him at the skating rink in West Memphis, with Jason and Damien. Jessie did come in with them but when he noticed some other people he knew he left the other two so he could be with his other friends. Even though Damien and Jason were acting a little strange that night, I thought Jessie was calm and he didn’t show any signs of being scared of anything but I can’t be sure that he wasn’t.

A few days after the arrests, softball club director Peggy Simmons told police:

Thursday (May 27, 1993) I saw Jason Baldwin, Damien Echols + Jessie Misskelly at the Club, to watch girls ballgame.

Satan-obsessed juvie cop Jerry Driver testified at both trials that he saw Echols, Baldwin and Misskelley together on several occasions.

Baldwin and Echols were best friends around this time, constantly together. No one claims Echols and Misskelley were that close, but the claim that they barely knew each other is clearly a lie.

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Another example, added 8/30/12: The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (June 5, 1993; “3 arrests surprise some, ring bells with others”) talked to Jim McNease, Misskelley’s father’s boss, on the day after the arrests.

“Jessie’s the kind of kid one would never expect to do something like this. In my opinion, the other boys suckered him into it,” McNease said. …

“They were all three friends,” McNease said of the three suspects. “And I think Jessie Jr. was the sort to be easily persuaded.”

Jim McNease and wife Marty McNease spoke affectionately of Misskelley Sr and Jr in the article. Jim McNease said that Misskelley Jr occasionally worked at Jim’s Repair Service helping his father. Jim McNease testified for the defense as an alibi witness at Misskelley’s trial. And the day after the arrests, he told a reporter that Misskelley, Baldwin and Echols “were all three friends”.

104 thoughts on “Did Echols and Misskelley know each other?”

  1. Of course no journalists check the facts! That’s why there are so many WM3 supporters. People take everything in a “news” article or everything in an interview as fact when nothing has been fact checked and everything out of the WM3’s mouth is regarded as the truth. If one wants to view a joke of an interview, try watching the Piers Morgan interview with Damien on YouTube. It just goes to prove how the masses can be fooled. The truth always rests with the minority.

  2. Wow – allowing comments on this board? How unusual – I assume this one will be deleted?

    Well – anyway – not a couple of things. The “sources” you cite are all post arrest — AFTER Gitchell announced to the public that on a scale of one to ten, the case against Jason, Damien and Jessie was an “eleven.” What evidence existed at that point? Nada aside from Jessie’s first factually absurd and completely inconsistent statement ( http://www.dpdlaw.com/jmstatements.htm ). That’s your “11.” Being told that the cops were 110% sure they had the right guys, surprise surprise that the community started to make claims that “connected the dots”

    The population of Marion was about 9,000. West Memphis was 22,000. Everybody knew everybody to some degree. But, put aside the statements and apply a tad of common sense. What did Jessie and Damien have in common? Regardless of what else may be said of him by anyone, no one’s doubted that Damien was very intelligent, a bit odd, a Wiccan in a Bible Belt town. Jessie’s slow, a wrestler, a physical guy. Jessie wasn’t even into Heavy Metal. What in the hell would join them as friends beyond acquaintances?

    I mean, of course, beyond their decision to bond with each other and commit a capital offense in each other’s presence…. LOL … and to perfectly clean up every single hair, fingerprint, footprint, shoe print (like Damien’s Army boots), and strand of DNA.

    I’d say “think”… but no one running a website like this is a big fan of thinking.

    1. Hey Fishfucker —

      No need for that tone of voice. This is a fine website with a great board that has ALWAYS remained uncensored. It is operated with integrity, and with respect to all dissenters. Believe me, I should know. So long as you choose to post your thoughts here, you should show your host a little more respect.

    2. “The population of Marion was about 9,000. West Memphis was 22,000. Everybody knew everybody to some degree.”

      Really? Do you know 22,000 people? I certainly don’t. And I doubt many others do either.

    1. Hi Joey,

      It actually is a little less definitive than that. Not all the fibers were tested, and of the fibers that were tested it was stated in the letter that they were in very bad condition. Apparently, testing of the fibers initially changes the morphology of the fibers. (http://www.swgmat.org/Forensic%20Fiber%20Examination%20Guidelines.pdf) Also important to note that the actual tests and results have not been released, just a few letters. So this evidence along with the test results has not been vetted by anyone, much less a jury or a judge. Just a few things to chew on.

  3. Damien Echols ?@damienechols
    “The spider doesn’t hunt. It builds it’s web and then waits for the universe to send what it needs.” -quote from Damien (twitter 9/4/12)

    1. He could have posted “I hate children and love death” and it would still mean absolutely nothing.

      I don’t know if Damien Echols is innocent or guilty, but some vaguely shady spider metaphor he posts on his Twitter page is entirely inconsequential and means nothing in regards to the murders…if you want to seek the truth you have to be objective. Inferring guilt from a strange but unrelated comment is doing the same thing the totally inept prosecution did back in 1993.

    2. Tom,
      Wow Echols is so smart . I would have never know that . Now with that knowledge I will move on to finish my homework . Echols can sit and wait for more hand outs . One thing a spider does do. Is work and it is hard work to build the web. I think I will read my books and to gain some real knowledge .

  4. I am sufficiently torn between which side to believe. The more I research, the more contradiction I see. It’s very difficult to understand the facts.
    I will tell you one thing, however. With the way that some of these people talk and act, I am concerned with Arkansas’ educational system, not to mention the roles of parents and the apparent lack of family values.

    For instance, for MissKelley Sr.’s boss to speak so highly of him, you’d think he would have raised Jesse with some discipline. Frankly, I’m not unhappy that a bully like Jesse spent 17? years in prison, even if he is innocent of this crime. And that goes for Damien, too, considering his past behavior of dropping out of school and his attention-seeking practice of witchcraft. I’m not so sure about Jason, but that he associated with Damien. My point though is that even if they are innocent of the crime, itself, it seems karma may have caught up with them for a host of other things.

    For the side that believes in their guilt, what is the explanation for, not only the absence of DNA of the “3”, but the presence of DNA of other sources?

    1. “My point though is that even if they are innocent of the crime, itself, it seems karma may have caught up with them for a host of other things.”

      Are you serious? I’ve tried to remain objective and level here, but this is honestly one of the dumbest and most worrying things I’ve read on this site.

      ASSUMING they are innocent (I’m not saying the definitely are) are you seriously saying you’d be OK with gross miscarriage of justice, police ineptitude, state corruption and the sentencing of two children to life imprisonment and one man to DEATH for crimes they didn’t commit based on so little evidence the case shouldn’t even have made it past a pre-trial hearing let alone lead to convictions, just because they were troubled and violent teenagers. Of course, Echols’ and Misskelly’s behaviour as teenagers had been awful, but there are a few things you have to understand here. Firstly, Misskelly had a learning disorder and grew up in an environment that so obviously was not equipped or prepared to deal with that. Echols had a history of mental illness and depression that, again, clearly was not being dealt with properly, even by the insitution he was sent to. And both boys, along with most people involved in this whole case, lived in abject poverty (Damien grew up in a shed with no water or electricity) and surrounded by abuse and intolerance. None of this excuses their violence or inappropriate behaviour, of course, but it certainly puts it in context and it DOES NOT, at all, mean that they deserved to be jailed or sentenced to death if they were innocent.

      If they are guilty, different story, but even then I would be very, very careful before I suggested that a conviction based on as glaringly little evidence as this one is a good idea.

      1. Hey, steve…we have the same name but are not the same person , saying this to not confuse others reading this. I agree with everything you said here regarding michelles post except the part about damien growing up in a shed with no water or electricity. He grew up in a trailer home in a trailer park just like a lot of people do and it had utilities as long as they paid the bill. Yes, they were poor most people in w memphis are, but no reason to exaggerate. It sounded like something damien would write in his memoirs that was just more bs….anyways my 2 cents.

    2. “Frankly, I’m not unhappy that a bully like Jesse spent 17? years in prison, even if he is innocent of this crime. And that goes for Damien, too, considering his past behavior of dropping out of school and his attention-seeking practice of witchcraft.”

      That is the sickest thing I have ever heard in my life.

      So, high school dropouts and attention seekers should serve time in prison? Are you serious?! Newsflash: I dropped out of school due to being raped. I obtained my GED at the age of sixteen and went on to earn a degree in Dentistry. I have a private practice and one of the highest patient retention rates in my state.

      I’m also an attention seeker and love being in the spotlight. In my down time I play guitar and sing lead in a band. I am also an active participant in our town’s theater group and perform in at least one play per year. The tips of my hair are currently blue, pink, and purple — but that changes all the time. I have two facial piercings and visible tattoos. None of that has affected my ability to run my practice. I daresay my ‘attention seeking’ lifestyle brings more patients in to see me. Teens are particularly happy to visit.

      By the way, Wicca is a recognized religion in the United States and is given tax exempt status. The military recognizes Wicca as well. The last time I strolled through Arlington I saw more than one headstone bearing a pentacle in place of a cross. Depending on the source, there are currently four to ten thousand Wiccans currently serving in the military. I can assure you, Sarannea, that practitioners of “witch craft” find comfort and joy in their religion just as much as Christians. In all manner of law, Wicca is just as sacred as Christianity in this country.

      If the state of Arkansas truly believed that these three men killed those children and thought they could prevail in a new trial, the Alford Plea would never have been offered. If it had gone to court and the defendants were acquitted — the state of Arkansas would have been forced to pay Echols, Baldwin, and Misskelley millions of dollars. Do any of you honestly believe that Arkansas would let a man walk off death row, something that happens so rarely it is almost unheard of, if they believed their evidence was credible enough to convict him a second time? By releasing these men, the state has either conceded defeat or allowed child killers to go free. Ask yourself — which would let you sleep easier at night? Knowing that you had a hand in saving your state millions of dollars by offering the Alford Plea — or knowing that bloodthirsty child killing murderers had been set free and you had a hand in it?

      Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

    3. Sarannea,
      There are many cases that have no DNA . Not every case is going to have DNA to prove guilt . The other DNA that was found was secondary transfer from the stepfather and being picked up from the house he was last seen at . Which in any other case would have been seen as just seen that . To think that two 17 and 18 year old children cant commit a crime so complicated without leaving anything behind. Was the dumbest thing I heard from the defense yet . History shows us with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and all the copy cats that came a long. Children can commit a crime very complicated . They also have well thought out plans. Echols told his ex girlfriend that Echols told her he wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone . Who know how long he was planning this . When you look over exhibit 500 and ask yourself was he compatible of doing it . My answer yes and with the rest of the evidence . I know in my heart that those 3 killed those children . This case you have to look at the whole puzzle . Echols wants people to forget why he was really picked up and a suspect of the crimes .
      Here are just a few of the lies that Echols as told . Echols doesn’t know how to tell the truth .

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWa4KomcuA

    4. I agree with your comment about their education system. After watching the HBO documentary last night, I think they also need a good, cheap dentist in that town.

  5. For the “supporters” side, is it their contention that any confessions, details and all, were coached? If so, for what purpose? I understand false confessions that arise out of duress and fatigue, but those are usually lacking details of the crime due to innocence. How could any of them know certain details of the crime if they were innocent? Also, if they were coerced into giving false confessions due to weakness, fatigue, duress, etc., then they would have had a pretty difficult time remembering details of the crime, even if they were coached under those conditions, unless they were reading their answers prepared on paper, which I doubt.

    1. Occam’s Razor best applies to this case; i.e. when faced with multiple possibilities the one with the fewest assumptions is often correct.

      It’s more logical that these 3 didn’t commit the murders with the lack of evidence, possibility that Jesse wasn’t even friends with the other two, and more major “missing pieces” of a puzzle.

      But I’ll make things even more common sense for you to realize why these 3 are innocent.

      Jason Baldwin was offered the “Alford Plea” deal that eventually got all of them out of prison as “time served” and initially HE REJECTED IT.

      He refused to be let out of prison and walk free because he wanted to prove his innocence. He wanted the State to give him a new trial. He wanted to be truly exonerated for a crime he didn’t commit and had wrongfully served all of that time in prison for. He wasn’t about to “quit” his fight at that point.

      Now… why would a GUILTY person not accept such a sweet deal and just walk free and get out of prison before the State changed their minds? There’s no guilty person in the world that wouldn’t have jumped to accept the deal, be let out (and no way of trying him or punishing him further; case closed) and run to their freedom after facing LIFE IN PRISON.

      Only an INNOCENT person would reject such a deal.

      After a long period of time, and consideration from his legal team, he reluctantly accept the deal because his friend, Damien, was on Death Row and could possibly be executed before they could be proven innocent and it wasn’t worth taking that chance. He took the deal to save Damien’s life.

      THE THREE ARE INNOCENT. BALDWIN’S RELUCTANCE TO WALK FREE IN A DEAL PROVES IT.

      1. Ok, let’s go with Occam’s Razor. By your own words “when faced with multiple possibilities the one with the fewest assumptions is often correct”.

        Who confessed?- Echols (at the softball park), Baldwin (to Carlson, who had nothing to gain and passed a polygraph) and Misskelley (multiple times).

        Who didn’t have an alibi?- Echols and Misskelley. Baldwin didn’t offer one at trial, so I won’t assume if he had one or not.

        Who had a history of violence?- Echols (exhibit 500) and Misskelley (multiple incidents listed).

        So… yeah. I made 0 assumptions. You can’t get any fewer than that.

        Now let’s look at what you say…

        You assumed there was a lack of evidence. I think this entire site shows otherwise. You assume the possibility Jessie wasn’t even friends with the other 2 when there’s more than enough documentation to prove otherwise. You’re also assuming Jason rejected the deal. Remember, there’s not any proof except the word of him and his defense team. If you take it at face value, you’re making another assumption. Lastly, you assume Jason’s statement that he took the deal because “his friend, Damien, was on Death Row and could posibbly be executed before they could be proven innocent” not taking into account their appeals hadn’t even started at the federal level and Damien was still years away from an execution date and they had already been granted a new hearing which was to begin in roughly 4 months time.

        There’s Occam’s Razor… in your own words… for you.

        1. Who confessed?
          I haven’t yet looked into Baldwin’s alleged confessions, but the witness of Echols’ “confession” at the softball park was debunked and later recanted after the witness failed to recall any other parts of the conversation, or who Echols was talking to, or virtually any other details other than that he apparently confessed to the murders. Misskelly confessed but, as I wasSURE I didn’t still have to point out, he was a 16 year old with an extremely low IQ indicating a learning disability and not only do experts agree that his “confessions” classic cases of false statements made under duress and after police coercion but the details he gave were wrong (you can look up the specifics of this yourself if you’re actually interested in hearing both sides – they have been made available all over the internet) and the answers that were correct were given after much prompting and correcting by the police.
          Many others have also come forward to allege that Mark Byers and Terry Hobbs both confessed to the murders on various occasions. I have no idea if these allegations are true or not, but the point is, ANYONE can be accused of confessing. That Echols and Baldwin allegedly “confessed” to friends means nothing, especially in the absence of any evidence tying them to the crime.

          Who didn’t have an alibi?

          Terry Hobbs’ alibi has been proven to be false. Over the years, he has given several accounts of what happened on the day the boys were murdered and each time, his account changed.

          Who had a history of violence?

          Many members of Stevie Branch’s family have come forward to shed light on Terry Hobbs’ history of violence and sexual abuse. They allege he often abused his stepson Stevie and his biological daughter, Amanda, belting them, beating them, Molesting Amanda, forcing them both to watch him masturbate and forcing Stevie to simulate sex with Amanda.

          Mark Byers admits to abusing his stepson Christopher and having belted him on the day the boys went missing. Old and healed wounds and scars from physical abuse were found on Christopher’s body.

          Professional criminal profilers have also deemed the murders a classic, textbook case of child killings by a parent or carer, NOT by Satanic ritual, teenagers or any strangers, really.

          Look, I have no damned idea if the boys are innocent or not. I’m not a WM3 supporter, by any means. But I have done extensive research on this case and cannot find any reason at all to believe that there is more evidence against the three teenagers than there is against any other suspect in the case.

          1. the witness of Echols’ “confession” at the softball park was debunked and later recanted

            Completely untrue. There were five witnesses to the softball park confessions. None have ever recanted as far as I know. Baldwin, Echols and Heather Cliett (Baldwin’s girlfriend at the time) eventually admitted that it happened just like those five witnesses stated, but insisted that Echols was only “joking”.

            Misskelley did not just confess to police. He confessed over and over and over, before and after his conviction. What do your unnamed “experts” say about his 6/11/93 and 8/19/93 and 2/8/94 confessions in private meetings with his defense lawyers?

          2. As conversations between lawyers and their clients are sacrosanct, how do we know that he actually confessed to the lawyers? Where is the proof, other than more heresay!

          3. Tape-recordings of Misskelley & Stidham’s meetings on August 19, 1993, and February 8, 1994, were played in open court during an appeal. Transcripts were part of the trial record. Stidham also read aloud his handwritten notes from a June 11, 1993, meeting with Misskelley. That’s in the appeal trial record too.

            You should read them.

            6/11/93: http://wm3truth.com/jessie-misskelley-confesses-to-his-defense-lawyers-june-11-1993/
            8/19/93: http://callahan.8k.com/pdf/jm_stidham_8_19_93.pdf (PDF)
            2/8/94: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_2_8_94_statement.html

      2. Jason only rejected it because he thought he would be set free with what they had. When Jason found out he wouldn’t be win. They had very little on Jason because of the fact he shut his mouth and got a lawyer fast . Jason also had to wait for his lawyer to get back to him that is why there was such a wait . Echols cleared up the thought of Jason taking the deal to help Echols in his last book . Jason never said he didn’t want to take the deal . Jason was weighing all his options and his lawyer was busy with another case

    2. Sarannea,

      The person that confessed (Jessie) remembered details alright… THE WRONG ONES! He confessed that they tied the boys up with rope (didn’t happen) and other things. The cops basically were telling him what to say and leading him in a certain direction. Classic case of coerced false confession; many legal experts agree.

      1. Wrong, Chuck. Baldwin just did that to FOOL you.

        Look, what are we talking about anyway? It’s irrelevent! I stand with Sarannea, who cares if they’re guilty or not, I’m not unhappy they went to jail anyway!!! That’s good ol’ trusty “karma” for ya, sticking it to all who deserve it! Hey, like those three dead kids! Was karma out to get them too YOU DUMB WHORE?

          1. You know, it’s very telling the way some of you dumb fucks speak. It seems “Disgusted” is in the same boat as “Sarannea,” and I’m sure a few more of you hick mother fuckers, in that you feel if you don’t LIKE someone, they should “BE INCARCERATED FOR LIFE.” Is it any wonder you scream for blood for the WM3? It’s because you’re a bunch of whores, cock suckers, fist fuckers, and dumb fuckers. Keep crying now that the WM3 are free, why don’t you. Keep “yes”ing each other in your safe and self-contained little vaccuum. Go on. It’ll make you feel better.

          2. I am neither in support of nor against the WM3. Purely stumbled on this site out of curiosity.

            However, I was appalled and “DISGUSTED” at your choice of vocabulary and anger in your responses.

            2 things:
            1. Get an education
            2. Peace

          3. I know, Disgusted, as you so astutely pointed out, I should be incarcerated for life. I’ll try to be as humble, charitable, peceful, and educated as you next time.

          4. Joey,
            Get a education and stop calling people hicks . They look smarter then YOU. Why don’t you get a new line to use .

          5. Disgusted,
            Joey is a ass ! You are going to get a lot of ugly treatment from the supporters they don’t want you to know the whole case . Good for you for calling Joey out . Joey IQ is lower then you think . Look over the files they left out in the films . Start with exhibit 500 is fun to look over . Get to know the real Echols. Here are a few lies he has told . Down below is the rest of the video links .
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWa4KomcuA

      2. Chuck,
        Not all of them agree . Jessie was drunk and high and had lapses of memory. Just like people that were so drunk cant remember where they put their cars . You can ask 20 witness of what happened and who was doing the shooting and what they were wearing because of shock they all had different stories . It just so happens that Jessie was up all night the same night the children were killed crying . When his cousin came over he was still crying. Wow sounds like he was in shock of what he did the night before .

  6. I just wanted to say to the author of the site – thanks for doing all the work you have to show the side of the case that the media is not showing. It makes me sick to see 37 year old Echols released from prison after ending the lives of 3 innocent boys, with not one shred of genuine remorse for his actions. It makes me sick to see Hollywood embracing him. It is manifestly unjust, and an indictment against everyone who supports him.

    I guess if you can murder someone and are clever enough to make sure that the only physical evidence left, if any, is from some poor patsy who you’ve framed… then good for you. That’s the message here. G*d help us.

    1. Patrick,
      What hurts more is the money that people are making off of the deaths of these children. This is like another columbine . Parents writing books and get deals from movie producers . The Moore’s refused to sell their sons name and jump on the money wagon . Even though the Harris’s and Klebold’s sons were the killers they refuse to sell their sons names to make a movie or write books. I hate the look of greed !

  7. Who uses the term “fishfucker” I mean really what does that mean….Ok I do believe all three boys knew each other….There is plenty of proof that they did indeed….When I think about this case I really wonder how many people are wrongly imprisoned for a horrid and brutial crime they did not commet but will die in prison because they can get Eddie Vetter to sing a song for them or they cant get Johnny Depp to do a interview about them….Its s shame that we have all these people believeing all this bs about these three guys being set up just because they wore Metallica shirts and were wiccans…..I believe that the West Memphis Police had and have better things to do than set up a retard and two other social misfits….You know like writing speeding tickets and taking down zombies hyped up on bath salts….In my opinion the three should still be in prison where I know at least one had become the wife of anoter convict….Damion!?!?!….I hope some day people will see through the Johnny Depp Interviews and the shitty PearlJam songs and really see just how horrid these three Baby Killers really are!!!

    1. Wally,
      I agree with you totally . Everyone in Hollywood is jumping on the bandwagon to get one last glimmer of the spotlight. Marilyn Mansion, Pearl Jam, Foster of the People Meanings and many more wrote a few songs for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold about Columbine. Most to them to a stand as Eric and Dylan were the victims. Same thing with this case . I don’t think any of these idiots even know about the cases or did they look over the whole case. It is easy to print just what they want to . A journalist will jump on a story and write anything with out doing research. All the journalists want to do is sell papers or magazines or books.
      I feel sad for the families that sold out their children for some of the spotlight and money. With the books they wrote or the spots in the movie . This happened with Columbine too .

      Again don’t worry Echols with get what he deserves. He has distance himself to his real family and his son . When his fame fades and no cares about him. He walks down the street and no one knows about him. This is going to be worst then if he spent his whole life in prison . Sure he will have money but that isn’t what Echols is looking for . Echols is looking for the fame and seeing his name in print . Like every rock star or every actress or actor time comes when the fame …..it all fades away.

      Then one day someone will write a book with all the evidence in it against these 3. They know they cant write another book how innocent the 3 are and sell books. So they will put every last drop of dirt in the book. They will take piece by piece all the evidence they against them. They will spill out the whole case . The table will turn .

  8. Interesting new development, It’s because you’re a bunch of whores. Look, what are we talking about anyway? Puuuuuuuulease.

    That’s good ol’ trusty “karma” for ya, we are all potential suspects, I never leave the house! .

    Who was your favorite Socratic Fishfucker FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE?

  9. I don’t believe any “evidence” proves they were friends… They went to high school together, misskelley is clearly a complete outsider in regards to Damien and Jason (woth Misskelley being a borderline mentally handicapped wrestler and the otherw presumably blood drinking wiccans). I’ve known plenty of people from highschool I could’ve introduced to each other without having real ties with, and I’ve hung out through transition with a bunch of fucked up people that have committed crimes (granted not murder) … Every witness claiming all of em were friends and hung out were stories of “Jesse, Damien, Jason… And a bunch of other people”… Again being same age at the same high school means you’ll be associating with people you’re not really friends with… Also just misskelleys mental capacity, I don’t know him but just through interviews I can easily see the police being able to break someone like him over hours of interrogation with allegedly only 40 minutes of initial confession out of however many hours… And I also don’t know how people can be so sure they’re guilty cause of no concrete alibi, when JMB and Terry Hobbs both have no complete accounted for alibis themselves, and witnesses place a 630 time of seeing Terry Hobbs with all 3 boys when he claims to this day he never saw those boys once that day… Idk I’ve only recently learned of this a few weeks ago , and can understand why the WM3 were suspects, but I don’t understand how such a case could’ve been so mishandled by the police, they’re the real criminals if u ask me…

    1. What about a direct quote from Jason Baldwin?

      “Somehow or another, they made the decision to set me and my two best friends up for the crime…”

      SOURCE: Discussion with Jason Baldwin, “Juvenile Justice Matters,” April 2012 – http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jjmatters/2012/04/19/discussion-west-memphis-3s-jason-baldwin

      **Props to Fred for the quote. It was listed in the above link Truth gave as an example in the comment section.**

      Or let me guess, still not proof, right?

      1. T-Rog ,
        I was going to post the same link . The only one that says that they were all not friends is Echols. Echols even said that Jason is not his friend and has bashed him in his new book. Do you really think if Echols didn’t know Jessie and wasn’t friends with Jessie. Echols would follow Jessie to Vickie’s house or even go out to the car with Jessie if they were not friends. Echols wants us all to forget about WM3. Echols even wants to distance himself to the supporters . Now he wants to be known for his great work . A book again that is much like the same one he wrote before . Talent would be if he would be able to write something else other then himself . (also Echols has had a writers help him with the book. They are called ghost writers to help put it all together ) That link should end the theory they were not all good friends . Do I buy what Jason is saying hell NO . We are back to bojangles . Who couldn’t barely walk and his hand was in the cast . The blood that was on him was his own. We were talking about this case in school . Someone came up with a theory that is strange but who knows . What if the 3 went to beat up and kill the homeless guy and the kids end up seeing it . Just a theory . Jason is ready to throw the blame on anyone . Do I think some could be rehabilitated in prison yes. Not all of them . I think Jason has got a 2nd chance at life and is going to go on with school and change his life . Echols on the other hand is still crazy . Jessie has changed also . I think both of them have changed being away from Echols. Do I think they were all high and drunk and sniffing gasoline .I do . Do I think that they should have been released . I don’t really know. Do I feel sorry for any of them . Hell NO. They killed those children and they all know it .

        1. my son hangs out with lots of people, but he’s not “friends” with all of them. I’m sure we all know lots of people, but how many of them are actually our friends.

    2. Cody,
      I guess you didn’t take a good look at exhibit 500. Echols was and is a very sick person. There are to many people that knew they were all friends .It wasn’t just like they met in school but other friends knew that they would meet at each other house . Even with Jessie going to Echols house. With Echols going with Jessie and Vicky wouldn’t it been a bit funny if Echols didn’t know him. To just go with them . It is just Jessie was portrayed in the spotlight like this retarded snitch. So there is very little fame for him . He is ok with it. As long as the supporters keep on sending money on him. Paying his bills and maybe they will buy him a house . Jessie will keep his mouth shut . I see you buy into that the parents had something to do with the killing . This year it is Hobbs a few years back it was Byers . The fact is that Echols was seen near the crime scene and bragged to friend. Then was bragging to kids. Even Echols own Aunt said that she doesn’t know if he did it . That he was capable of doing it and always wanted to do something that made him famous. I don’t think Echols thought so many people would buy into his innocence. I think he would have been happy with just being know for the killing . This is much better though he didn’t have to die for it . Sure you can chose this piece of evidence and that one . Not look at the case as a whole like the jury had to. We don’t know how long Echols and Jason planned this murder out . I think Jessie was someone that just tagged along . Kids can commit very complicated crimes were there would be no DNA. The defense would love you to believe that this crime was too complicated for kids to do.

  10. I first read about this story in the magazine Peolple, just last night. Today I have stumbled onto this sight. I feel as though I’ve read both sides of the story. I don’t know all of the facts but I do know, with all I’ve read here today, I would still say that one shouldn’t be presumed guilty. It does sound that he had a lot of warning sigs of being a possible murderer………….but without evidence, I am not a believer.

  11. Supporters:

    Barring another crisis of conscience, why will Jessie Misskelly Jr. never ever for as long as he lives sit down for an interview with a critical thinker?

    1. Eddie ,
      Jessie wont say a thing because just like Jason things slip out . Jessie and Jason don’t have a PR agent to tell them what to say. Not yet ! I am sure the supporter after this interview will get them one . This was a huge slip up . My two best friends hmmm . Supporters didn’t want that one to slip out. Not on recording that he cant take back . This is why Jason’s lawyers didn’t want Jason to say a word . Oh by the way Jason wasn’t thinking of taking the plea .His lawyer was looking over his case because they had very little on Jasno because he didn’t open his mouth . Jason got a lawyer and didn’t make a statement . Echols was more then happy to talk to the police . Echols thought he did the perfect crime . Jason’s lawyer was working on another case and took his time responding .

  12. They are guilty. Found guilty at trial. pleaded guilty. released,still guilty. end of. What I found most disgusting is the wm3 supporters have done nothing in memory of the 3 children who where murdered by these three.

    1. Hmm… because you don’t know what “supporters” have done, they have done nothing. Sure.

      I happen to know you’re words are untrue.

  13. This is a message from The Artist Formerly Known As Joey. Because my “brand” has been co-opted by one or two of the gutless assholes (cough, Pru) who visit this site, I am officially abandoning the “Joey” monicker (not my real name anyway) and from here on out will post under various different names. Congrats in that sense, you’ve certainly won that battle.

    Unfortunately, you’ve lost the WM3 battle because, guess what? They’re free. Sucks to be you.

    1. I would just like to take a moment to point out that the previous “The Artist Formerly Known As Joey” post was not, in fact, made by me.

      Do you guys have nothing better to do with your time?

        1. You can keep knocking at my door but you can’t come. Wow the B word. I can see what side of the tracks you grew up. You can take the man out of the ghetto but you can’t take the ghetto out of the man.

      1. Rachel,
        I see your education is very little . You have to work on your poetry . I wouldn’t study writing by the way or law. I see trade school in your future . Good lucky with it .

  14. Why do interviewers gloss over the alibi issue for Damien?

    Here’s a prime example of Damien speaking on a popular radio show from 09/19/12. The hosts spend about 10 seconds of an almost 45-minute interview glossing over his alibi. By listening to this clip it’s assumed he had a very solid alibi.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iokiq4LwrQg&feature=watch_response

    Whether you think he’s guilty or innocent, the alibis and the multiple confessions are something I’m hoping at least one interviewer will explore in depth. The guy is on a press junket right now. Can anyone ask a real question?

  15. Good question, OJ. It’s because the interviewers are protecting the WM3, along with Vedder and Depp. It’s because they’re Commie liberal hippy Jews. And they were in on 9/11 too.

    1. That’s an extremely effective attempt at a bit of socratic irony, Ed.

      It’s probably not a coincidence that Vedder and Depp are high school dropouts, amirite?

    2. I don’t think anyone is protecting the WM3. I’m just amazed at how easily they repeat the same bullet points.

      This case is one of the most documented cases in the last 50 years (my opinion, of course). There have been FOUR DOCUMENTARIES, a feature film in the works and half a dozen books and counting.

      How many websites devoted to this case? How many legal documents are online? You get my point.

      People are interested in this case and clearly they don’t all agree. People still debate about whether these guys did it or not. That is something I think an interviewer should explore.

      False confessions are crazy. In the case of Jesse it’s just not as cut and dry as they would have you believe.

      I still have yet to hear a valid alibi for these three guys. Everything is so guarded and vague.

      I don’t like being told what to think, that’s all.

      I think the day William Winford Jones went to the police BEFORE the arrests, it was all over for these three guys.

      Everyone — including their own attorneys — thought they were guilty. Don’t get upset at people who have basic questions about the case.

      This is a golden opportunity for a journalist to have a balanced and probing inteview.

    3. Ed,
      That sound prejudice . I would like to add Eddie Vedder, Marilyn Manson, and many others . That didn’t know a darn thing about the cases . Also wrote songs for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and many other child killers . Guess it their away to get their names in the spotlight .Notice none of the famous supporter are popular or talked about anymore till this case .

    1. Rachel and Ed have MASTERED the socratic form, fo sho.

      I’m wondering, who has the higher IQ, Ed Vedder, Natalie Maines, or Jessie Misskelly? TOO CLOSE TO CALL, most likely.

  16. It has been years since I have researched this case. Maybe you can help me. There was a link that one could see transcripts (or maybe it was scanned copies of originals?) of the interviews and statements given by Damien, etc. during the interrogations before they were arrested.
    Can someone please post the links? I would really appreciate it! I think it was actually on the WM3 site, but it doesn’t seem to be the same anymore. Or maybe I am wrong & it was here?
    Thank you thank you

  17. It is a shame to see this blog trashed by an utter lack of respect and an abundance of idiocy.

    Sorry, David — that sucks for you.

  18. Ok any evidence yet that they are innocent? It has only been 20 years to find them innocent. Ok I will check back in another 2 years 🙂

    Hi Joey
    You still as boring as ever?

    Hi Keese,
    Are you still as bitter as ever ?

  19. Here’s a similar post I made elsewhere. It overlaps some of David’s sources (Vicky Hutcheson, Perschke, Matthew Baldwin) but also provides new ones… For instance, Damien’s girlfriend Domini Teer, who cited Jessie’ hanging out at D’s home. (David, if you are inclined to incorporate any of these accounts into your article, feel free.)

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    Were the WM3 all friends, in 1991-1993?

    While by all accounts Echols & Baldwin were close friends, some folks — like Joe Berlinger in 2011* — have questioned there existing any friendship between Echols/Baldwin and Misskelley. Yet many sources corroborate some sort of friendship between all Three.

    Here’s an exploration of the Misskelley connection, comprised of 14 accounts arranged chronologically from roughly Sept 1991 – May 1993, by the time period referenced within the accounts.

    ( 1 ) Deanna Holcomb, Damien’s former girlfriend . . . 1991-1992

    Davidson: [W]hen were you going with uh – Damien?
    Holcomb: During school, at uh – 1991 to ’92…[snip] The beginning of school to the end of school.
    .
    .
    Fogleman: Alright. Did – during the course of your uh – going with Damien uh – did he have any particular friends? Friends in particular?
    Holcomb: Um – yes sir.
    Fogleman: Alright, who – who were they?
    Holcomb: Jason, um – Jessie, Joey Lancaster and some other people.
    .
    .
    Fogleman: Alright. Uh – and you said “Jason”, who are you referring to?
    Holcomb: Jason Baldwin.
    Fogleman: Alright. And you said “Jessie”?
    Holcomb: Misskelley.

    SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/ebtrial/dholcomb.html

    ( 2 ) John Earl Perschke report . . . Jan/Feb 1992

    Perschke, a teen, was alleged to have been attacked by Misskelley in presence of Echols-Baldwin-Buddy Lucas per Marion PD’s Don Bray.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/j_perschke_report.html

    ( 3 ) Domini Teer (Echols’ girlfriend) . . . Sept 1992

    FOGLEMAN- …NOW…WHEN DAMION LIVED WITH HIS STEPFATHER, JACK…THAT WAS WHEN HIS PARENTS WERE IN OREGON, IS THAT RIGHT?
    DOMINI- UH HUH.
    FOGLEMAN- OKAY. NOW, DID JESSIE COME AROUND THEN, WHEN DAMION LIVED WITH HIS STEPFATHER [starting in Sept of 1992, I believe – FJW].
    DOMINI- UH HUH.
    FOGLEMAN- OKAY.
    DOMINI- BECAUSE HE SAID THAT JESSIE SAID THAT HE HAD CAME FROM CALIFORNIA. HE JUST HAD MOVED BACK FROM CALIFORNIA.
    .
    .
    FOGLEMAN- AND, ….AND THEN JESSIE WAS AROUND QUITE A BIT THEN?
    DOMINI- EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, LIKE ONCE OR TWICE, YEAH, I SAW HIM.
    FOGLEMAN- OKAY, AND WHEN HE WAS AROUND WHEN YOU SAW HIM, WHAT WOULD YA’LL BE DOING?
    DOMINI- SITTING IN DAMION’S HOUSE.
    FOGLEMAN- OKAY, JUST SIT AROUND AND TALK. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DAMION’S HOUSE, YOU TALKING ABOUT HIS…
    DOMINI- HIS…
    FOGLEMAN- JACK ECHOLS?
    DOMINI- JACK ECHOL’S HOUSE.

    ( 4 ) Jerry Driver, Crittenden Juvenile Officer . . . Nov 1992

    Driver: …Here we go uh, (inaudible) 11-15-93 or not of 93 it would be of 92. [1992, clearly – FJW] Uh, Damien, Jason, and Jessie were walking together over in Lakeshore (??) uh I don’t remember the street but we had made a traffic stop while I was over there with 619, from the sheriff’s office…
    Durham: Was this the first time you were aware that Jessie Misskelley associated with Damien?
    Driver: I had heard prior to that Jessie was, sometime in late summer, I started hearing Jessie’s name.

    [**Note: Driver’s recollection corresponds to Echols return from Oregon in Sept 1992, and Misskelley’s supposed recent return from California – FJW]

    Durham: But this the first time you seen Damien
    Driver: This is the first time I seen them together
    Durham: Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, and Jessie Misskelley
    Driver: And Jessie Misskelley
    Durham: All 3 together
    Driver: Uh-huh, walking down the street all dressed in black, long black coats, Damien had. . ., had a black slouch hat on, and they all 3 had staff’s um, and . . ., and I ask them what they were doing and they told me they were going. . ., going to watch, laugh, so I kept an eye on them pretty close after that and I saw them on several other occasions uh, both at uh. . ., uh Lakeshore and at the trailer park across where Jessie lived.
    Durham: Highland Trailer Park
    Driver: Highland Trailer Park, uh I seen them in both locations, uh I never did see Jessie with uh with Damien, um, down at Wal-Mart. They use to go down to Wal-Mart and shoplift, he and Domini Teer and. . ., and I think Jason probably Jessie to, but I just never saw Jessie with anything at that location.

    SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jerry_driver_statement.html

    ( 5 ) Jim McNease, garage boss to the two Jessies . . . May 1993 and before

    “McNease said Misskelley and the other two murder suspects, Michael Wayne Echols and Jason Baldwin, rode bicycles a lot around Marion and West Memphis.” – Commercial Appeal, June 5, 1993

    ( 6 ) Vicki Hutcheson . . . May 1993

    VICKIE: JESSIE TOLD ME ABOUT A FRIEND OF HIS NAMED DAMIEN AND THIS FRIEND DRANK BLOOD AND STUFF HE JUST KEPT GOING ON AND ON ON ABOUT HOW WEIRD HE WAS… SO BY…[WHAT] WAS COMING OUT IN THE PAPER AND STUFF I JUST THOUGHT HOW THEY WERE KILLED WAS ODD BUT YOU KNOW MAYBE IT WAS LIKE A DEVIL WORSHIPPING THING…AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS KID DOING THIS YOU KNOW MAYBE HE KNEW SOMETHING… JESSIE HAD TOLD ME THAT DAMIEN HANG OUT AT LAKESHORE AND SO I WENT OUT OF MY WAY YOU KNOW TO TO TRY TO GO AROUND LAKESHORE … I SAID [TO JESSIE] NO I THINK [DAMIEN]’S HOT I REALLY WANT TO GO OUT WITH HIM CAN YOU FIX ME UP WITH HIM AND…HE DID.
    RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT YOU MEET DAMIEN
    (….picking up from VH’s 1994 statement….)
    Victoria Hutcheson: Yeah, I go get him over at Jason’s house, which I thought was Damien’s house… And, uh, so Jessie gets out of the truck and says [to Damien], “Here you can sit in the middle. ” [Laughs] … So, uh, we dropped some movies off at Block Buster and then went over to my house and we were going to hang out. And, uh, I tried to pump him for information like [the police] wanted me to.

    SOURCES: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/victoriah_statement.html and http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/vicki_h_exhibit_c.html

    ( 7 ) Domini Teer (Echols’ girlfriend) . . . May 1993

    Domini says Jessie reappeared just after the crimes (this is in all likelihood the above-referenced meeting engineered by Vicki Hutcheson, returning videos to Blockbuster)

    DOMINI- JESSIE CAME AROUND AFTER THEM KIDS WAS KILLED…[snip] OUT OF NOWHERE. I MEAN WE HADN’T SEEN JESSIE FOR MONTHS.
    .
    .
    DOMINI- IT WAS LIKE, TWO DAYS AFTER THE COPS WERE COMING AROUND, UM….JESSIE CAME OVER TO JASON’S HOUSE ONE DAY WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE, AND WANTING DAMION TO TAKE BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES TO BLOCKBUSTER.
    FOGLEMAN- UH HUH.
    DOMINI- AND THEY WENT, AND I GUESS, TOOK BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES BACK, AND THEN WOULD UP OVER AT JESSIE’S HOUSE.

    SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/domit.html

    ( 8 ) Matt Baldwin (Jason’s brother) . . . May 1993

    Further to the post-crime Jessie sighting. Again, the girl in truck may well have been Vicki Hutcheson (?)… in this version, Damien doesn’t go with Jessie and her in the truck, however.

    MATTHEW: THE DAY AFTER [THE CRIMES], I KNOW DAMIEN WAS OVER THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I THINK JESSIE CAME OVER THAT NIGHT, JESSIE AND SOME GIRL WERE IN A TRUCK
    FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
    MATTHEW: SOME GIRL IN TRUCK WERE TRYING TO GET DAMIEN TO COME OVER THERE, BUT DAMIEN DIDN’T WANT TO COME OVER THERE
    FOGLEMAN: THAT’S THE NEXT… THAT WAS THE NEXT DAY?
    MATTHEW: I THINK SO, YEA
    FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE GIRL IN THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE?
    MATTHEW: UH-UH
    FOGLEMAN: KNOW WHO SHE WAS?
    MATTHEW: SHE DIDN’T COME IN, SHE STAYED IN THE TRUCK
    FOGLEMAN: OKAY
    MATTHEW: AND THEN JESSIE LEFT IN THE TRUCK, AND DAMIEN STAYED OVER MY HOUSE
    FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID DAMIEN SPEND THE NIGHT THERE THAT NIGHT?
    MATTHEW: I THINK SO, I DON’T
    FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
    MATTHEW: I DON’T KNOW FOR SURE

    SOURCE: http://westmemphisthreediscussion.yuku.com/topic/2657

    ( 9 & 10 ) Skating Rink – Holly George Statement, re: May 1993, plus Skating Rink Video

    RIDGE: HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN DAMIEN? BEFORE THE PHONE CALL [on May 5, 1993]?
    HOLLY: BEFORE THAT PHONE CALL. ABOUT A WEEK
    RIDGE: ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THAT, OKAY, AND WHERE DID YOU MEET HIM?
    HOLLY: SKATING RINK
    .
    .
    RIDGE: YEA, YOU MENTIONED JESSIE, DO YOU KNOW JESSIE?
    HOLLY: YEAH, I DID, BUT I MEAN HE WAS NEVER REALLY ONE OF MY FRIENDS
    RIDGE: OKAY, WHERE DID YOU SEE HIM?
    HOLLY: SKATING RINK
    .
    .
    RIDGE: OK, AND WHAT WERE THEY JUST HAD THEIR OWN LITTLE GROUP OVER HERE AND JESSIE WAS IN ANOTHER GROUP OR WHAT WAS IT?
    HOLLY: THEY HUNG OUT WITH THE SAME PEOPLE BUT THEY JUST NEVER REALLY LIKED JESSIE
    RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT, WAS THERE ANY KIND OF ARGUMENT GOING ON OR WAS IT JUST LIKE THEY WAS (ILLEGIBLE) PART OF THE SAME GROUP
    HOLLY: I DON’T THINK THEY WERE PART OF THE SAME GROUP

    SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/hollyg1.html

    Skating Rink Video – showing Misskelley playing pool and Echols(?) at a nearby table (32:50 – 33:08)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4527959120878708499

    ( 11 ) Gail Grinnell (Jason Baldwin’s Mom) . . . re: May 1993

    “Jason, Damien, and Jessie were not all friends. At one point they had been friends, but at some point there had been some problems with t-shirts, and then Jessie had tried to steal a necklace of Jason’s. In May of 1993, Jessie was not one of Jason’s friends. He didn’t come by to our house, except once right before the murders he came to our house and said he had just come back from California.” (Rule 37 Hearing, 2009)

    SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/bm_rule37/bm_rule37_grinnell.html

    ( 12 ) Damien Echols – from Blood of the Innocents (1993/94/95?)

    “Echols emphasized another point. Although he and Jason Baldwin were close friends, he had little patience for Jessie Misskelley. They seldom associated.
    ‘Two things that i dont have time for is stupidity and ugliness. and Jessie Misskelley had both of those qualities,’ he said coldly, then snickered.” (p.411)

    ( 13 ) Damien Echols – Almost Home (2005)

    “I never did see Jessie a great deal, but we became familiar enough with each other to talk when we met. We’d run into him at the bowling alley and spend an hour or two playing pool, or hang out for a little while at the Lakeshore store. Jessie was no great conversationalist, but his antics could be amusing, and the odd things he did say were usually worth a chuckle. It was very apparent to anyone of even average intelligence that you weren’t dealing with the world’s brightest guy. He was a great deal like a child. He was harmless.”

    ( 14 ) Jason Baldwin, in 2012

    “Somehow or another, they made the decision to set me and my two best friends up for the crime…”

    SOURCE: Discussion with Jason Baldwin, “Juvenile Justice Matters,” April 2012 – http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jjmatters/2012/04/19/discussion-west-memphis-3s-jason-baldwin

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    *Joe Berlinger, in 2011:

    “Echols and Baldwin…will tell you they knew of Misskelley, but they weren’t friends with him.”

    SOURCE: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2011/oct/07/

    1. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jjmatters/2012/04/19/discussion-west-memphis-3s-jason-baldwin

      JASON’S THREE BEST FRIENDS ! JASON’S OWN WORDS !
      I think this proves everything ! I guess this was before Jason got a PR agent . No more slip ups . I think the supporters didn’t like this interview. This is something that Jason cant take back . They thought they buried it a long with exhibit 500 and much more evidence. It is easy to pay people off or scare people to retract their statements. By threatening that they would also go to jail for the fact they didn’t say anything before it happened or keeping the information. By telling them they could be charged with being involved in the murder . It happened to the Columbine case that families of the victims and the Eric Harris parents of one of the shooters. Were suing the pharmaceutical company that gave Eric Harris Luvox which is instead of helping with anger . The side effect can causes more anger then before taking the drug . If he ever decided to back out the drug put the breaks on those thoughts . The Harris’s were never told the side effects of the drug. Oh but they did take the drug off the market after the lawsuit .Then after the suit they started what they call the black box .(warning of the effects of all medication on TV and when you receive the drugs ) Out of 12 people that were suing them. Only one family went forward with it . The pharmaceutical company threaten to sue all of them back ..By the way 3 people in the Columbine case that knew about the guns or sold the guns to them that came forward .One that just had information . They all went to prison for knowing what might have happened with the guns. With the WM3 the parents that did change their minds and are now supporters are getting paid money and book deals and movie deals .In the case of WM3 sad that parents would sell out their children for money.. .They ALL were offered the same deals . All the parent were tricked into doing the first film “Paradise Lost “ The ones that wouldn’t talk to the producers or the filmmakers for the 2nd film couldn’t be bought .They didn’t take any of the deals offered . Still wont sell out their children for money . I commend them .

      1. Donna,
        Reading old blog post and came across this. It is very hard to make sense of what you are saying except was able to pull out the info posted about the luvox. I don’t know where you get the info that it was pulled from the market, but it it incorrect. Luvox is used to treat OCD and other types of mental behaviors. I know this because my 7 yr old has been on the med since last April. It is written under the generic fluvoximine. You should inquire about it, it may help keep you focused and ease your apparent obsession with trying to spit bullshit that you can’t back up.

    2. Here’s an additional account supporting a friendship between Echols and Misskelley at the time of the murders.

      Principal John Heath on Echols/Misskelley peer, Jason Crosby:

      “He told me a story of the time that Jessie stole his bike, then he stole it back, and Jessie beat him up… He said weeks just prior to the death of the boys in West Memphis, he overheard a conversation between Michael Echols and Jessie Misskelley that they wanted to catch a bum at one of the overpasses and torcher him to death.”

      SOURCE: http://callahan.8k.com/images/j_crosby/mjh_statement_06-04-93.jpg

  20. If Damien and Jason were not friends with Jessie then why are they so adamant that he is innocent? They claim they were not with him on the day of the murders so how do they know he didn’t take part in the crime? Why have they always stuck with this guy who they were not friends with and is the reason they were arrested? Surely if someone blames you for killing 3 kids you would say ‘I don’t know that lying little shit and I have no idea if he was involved or not but I certainly wasn’t. You would distance yourself from him and probably hate the guy for getting you involved.

  21. One thing certain about echols is he is a chronic liar, that doesnt make him a killer, but he sure loves to lie…one of the most blatant ones was where he said he was repeatedly raped by the guards….hahahahaha who would believe that? oh, yea, hollywood people would…hey i just answered my own question…how cool.

  22. My respects to those who have viewed the documentaries, but there is a reason these men were convicted by a jury of 12, unanimously, beyond a reasonable doubt. A couple points on the Allford Plea:
    Echols stated is in his biography “[Baldwin] also realized he was going to be left behind if he didn’t come along with us on the deal. My own case had garnered much of the WM3 publicity, and if we managed to be freed without him, there would be very little interest left in his case. The funds were nearly gone as it was.” http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/08/21/echols-blasts-baldwin-in-new-book
    He goes on to say that Baldwin was so institutionalized that he actually liked being in jail, his job in there, and his state funded education.

    So Baldwin didn’t hold out as “an innocent man would”. He was wise enough to see that he was about to be forgotten forever if he didn’t sign the deal. Also his lawyers were UNDOUBTEDLY telling Baldwin if he was exonerated and his conviction was held to be “wrongful” he would stand to gain MILLIONS in a 42 USC 1983 lawsuit in Federal Court. By the way, his lawyers would get 33.33% of that so its no wonder he waffled, and his lawyers hesitated. Baldwin must have thought long and hard about hanging out in jail for another year or so and possibly getting a big paycheck.

  23. My question is “How does this scam unravel for the Three?” Echols is psychopath, Miskelly is a total fool, and Baldwin is jealous and resentful of Echols fame and money.

    My feeling is that chapters are yet to be written in this case. Who goes BACK to jail first? My hunch is Miskelly for drugs, but given Echols behavioral inclinations, I wonder how far behind he will be.

  24. When the film Devils Knot is released will it portray Mark Byers as the real killer which the book blatantly does or will they point the finger at Terry Hobbs? If its TH I can’t wait to see how they explain how a single person can kill 3 boys all on his own.

  25. I’ll preface this by saying, I have no intention of getting into a war of guilt/innocence regarding anyone (though I of course have my opinions), and am not saying I think Jessie is guilty based on the following question….. I am purely just very curious. Has there been no theory explored that Jessie could have been there and participated in the murders, just like he said, but Damien and Jason were not there? I’ve searched online to find opinions/thoughts/discussions on this, but can’t seem to find anything. Just something I’ve always wonder about, why it was never discussed by supporters or non supporters. Unless perhaps it was and I just couldn’t find it.

  26. The statement that Jason made about his “two best friends” doesn’t prove anything. You can have two best friends but, those two people don’t necessarily have to be friends with each other.

  27. I stopped reading the thread halfway. Why? Because it is yet another rehash of the old debate between those who are PROFOUNDLY uncomfortable with the idea that the justice system might not work, at least not in all cases, and those who understand that policemen and prosecutors and judges are human beings with human flaws such as ambition, desire to be re-elected (by a populace who prefers those who are “tough on crime), a desire to solve the case as soon as possible, a desire to save face and not to admit to mistakes, etc.
    Psychologically, I understand those who need certainty, who cannot bear the idea that innocent people could be sentenced to death, EVER, under the great American system. They might be up for a crude awakening as so many (upper)middle class victims of police “justice” have been (just google “false confessions” or go to Amazon for the pertinent books). But until then I suppose it makes them sleep better if they believe innocent people are never found guilty by a jury. One can never penetrate that armour with logical arguments.
    The others cannot sleep because they know (and the Innocent Project has finally proved, though only for cases involving DNA) that innocent people ARE routinely railroaded (the almost proverbial, “prosecution complex”, see, e.g., http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-Complex-Americas-Convict-Innocent/dp/0814796249/ref=pd_rhf_cr_s_cp_1_G0ZM)/ They know about the myths about American justice (best laid out in False Justice: Eight Myths That Convict the Innocent:
    Former Ohio Attorney General crusades against wrongful conviction and shows how citizens can prevent this terrifyingly common miscarriage of justice.

    “Wrongful criminal conviction is much more frequent than most Americans believe. The thought of imprisoned innocent people haunted me. I became determined to try to do something about it.” – Jim Petro, Former Attorney General of Ohio

    The flaws in America’s execution of justice lead to an unacceptable number of wrongful criminal convictions. Jim Petro was confronted with this issue when the guilt of several convicts serving life sentences was called into question. In False Justice, Jim and Nancy Petro detail and challenge eight myths of justice:

    “Everyone in prison claims innocence.”
    “Our system almost never convicts an innocent person.”
    “Only the guilty confess.”
    “Wrongful convictions are caused by innocent human error.”
    “An eyewitness is the best testimony.”
    “Conviction errors get corrected on appeal.”
    “It dishonors the victim to question a conviction.”
    “If the justice system has problems, the pros will fix them.”
    Now if you believe in these myths, the fact that an Attorney General refutes them will never be enough.
    The other (may I make bold to say delusional) option is to disagree to the myths in principle but try to show they do not apply in a concrete case (and for such people ANY case would be the concrete case where the prosecution is right).

    Hence the nitpicking about, e.g., how much of a friend Jessie was to Damien and Jason. The word “friend” is ambiguous, as we all know, and also dynamic. So Jessie might well have been a “friend” of Jason after they had served time together and even for a time shared a bed (referring to the later interviews). In many cases a “friend” tends to be simply somebody one knows. It is clear that Jessie knew Damien (I live in a town of 100 000 inhabitants and most people seem to know me! And I them!), particularly since Damien stood out for his appearance/behaviour. So? Was it enough for Jessie to name him after an exhausting interview when he was prepared to say anything to just get home and/or get the reward they promised him – certainly. Was it enough to prove his guilt – definitely not.

    All this nitpicking can go on forever. For me, as a non-believer in the “finality of justice”, what really matters is that a group of teenagers were seized with no solid evidence and sentenced to life in prison and death. For such decisions the evidence would need to be MAGNITUDES more solid than they ever had in this case. One might fight about details ad infinitum but they are just that – details. Even if one believes, on the basis of gut feeling, that they are guilty (I don’t but I can imagine some people would) the stark fact is that the evidence against them was MAGNITUDES less than needed for a serious conviction.

    And this leads me to a final point: we all tend to be sure of our “gut feelings”. “His/her eyes were empty”, “he did not behave like an innocent person would” – these arguments recur from case to case (mostly capital cases). Well, there are cases when the required emotions are there for all to see (Susan Smith) and the person is still guilty. And there are cases where the defendants are in a state of shock and/or do not understand the seriousness of the situation (as might have been the case here) or just behave in an unorthodox fashion, not aware how the behaviour might be perceived. I still remember a poster in a forum about a mother convicted of killing her child, largely on the basis of her behaviour, who said she lost her son to an illness and actually laughed at the funeral – a typical paradoxical expression of grief – and later thanked God she was not under suspicion at the time). CONDEMNING PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF BEHAVIORAL SIGNS IS PLAIN ABSURD! Otherwise,Susan Smith would be still walking free, her tears were so convincing. It is more often the innocent who do not pay attention to how their behaviour might be perceived, because they do not see how it can be proved guilty when they actually did not commit the crime. They’ll learn to their peril that this can be done. with jurors more alert to how their behaviour conforms to the “norms” than to what the actual physical evidence is.
    Only those who desperately cling to the idea that the justice system is always right fail to see all of this – and they will never see it, whatever rational arguments one brings. For the rest of us, truly, there but for the grace of God go I, applies.

    P.S. Apologies for the long rant, but I have been lurking on crime forums for years. Or actually WAS lurking, until I noticed that there are certain participants who are always for guilt, both in cases where I tended to agree and in those I did not. I would not presume to state they had not acquainted themselves with the cases – but so had I. And while I supported some convictions and did not support others, they always landed on the side of guilt. They flitted from forum to forum to assert the guilt of just anybody convicted. Convicted just equals guilty for them. In a case where I personally believe the convicted person was guilty, I was appalled by a statement on a forum “The new judge was a close friend of the deceased one, so it’s likely he will rule in the same vein” (he actually did not). It was at that moment that it struck me that all the appeals essentially go the the judge who presided the trial – how can he keep face and rule he was mistaken. I also educated myself on the appeals process and found out that most rejections are just “phoned in” by the board. So the myth of “Conviction errors get corrected on appeal” was gone for me even before the book.

  28. I believe Jesse has been the smoking gun all along, staring everyone in the face. His details of what he perceived of the crime were often so off base because he admittedly was so drunk. The over-all clincher for me? Jesse was not smart enough to conjure up the detail of chasing down Michael Moore out of thin air. On top of so many other give-aways……that in itself does it for me.

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